Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3395476)

It’s like they gave up and said cant have a pilot shortage if we take enough planes out of service

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3395522)

They’re probably testing the waters to see if they’ve got anybody desperate enough to fly for 1/8th of what they deserve.

Originally Posted by Rotor0901 (Post 3406267)

Is there any talk of Envoy offering 121 longevity credit?

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3406271)

Haven’t heard of any. There are however some bonuses that will still help you make up some of that money. That being said, they are close to hiring DECs and if you have the time to upgrade already, you will likely be able to do so by the time you finish training, as long as you want to sit reserve as the junior captain out of ORD on a 145.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3406271)

Haven’t heard of any. There are however some bonuses that will still help you make up some of that money. That being said, they are close to hiring DECs and if you have the time to upgrade already, you will likely be able to do so by the time you finish training, as long as you want to sit reserve as the junior captain out of ORD on a 145.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3406289)

Has there been an update on the DEC program, didn't they just announce standing vacancy which would allow them to hire DECs?

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3406320)

They did just announce the standing vacancy, but nothing about DECs specifically on the recruiting page, just the bonuses I already mentioned. And in typical Envoy fashion, other than the extra $7.5K for an Embraer type rating, there is no breakdown on how or for what the bonus breaks out.

A couple of guys I talked to said they were hired as DECs, but allowed to go through initial as FOs with the intent of giving them some adjustment time to plane and company before a QU, but then Covid happened and we all know where things went from there. And in fact, they got the DEC bonus and left before this most recent bid when the could have actually held captain again.

Bottom line, the door is open for DECs again but no details what that will look like yet, other than like I said, sitting eternal reserve in ORD on a 145.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3406358)

With the fleet dying a slow inevitable death, I can't think of much worse than being the plug for years, only to be displaced as the plug on another fleet.

Also, I don't think there really are many sources for DECs. Only place I can think of is Cape Air. Other regionals have flows now, including places that hire DECs. And if you are qualified for a DEC position, you are qualified for legacies/ACMI/LCCs, so that would make no sense.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3406358)

With the fleet dying a slow inevitable death, I can't think of much worse than being the plug for years, only to be displaced as the plug on another fleet.

Also, I don't think there really are many sources for DECs. Only place I can think of is Cape Air. Other regionals have flows now, including places that hire DECs. And if you are qualified for a DEC position, you are qualified for legacies/ACMI/LCCs, so that would make no sense.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3406447)

Ord has lost about 50% to skw and rah.

Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3407034)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/america...JKeE2gmCm3D_M#

This is interesting, considering at the Voy they pair u up with another new hire for your MV and even LOE for initial if I can remember well. A NEWHIRE not even a typed line pilot.

Originally Posted by slantgolf (Post 3407070)

unless it changed really recently, two newhire fos cannot take an LOE together. Must be a qualified captain or captain candidate in the left seat.

Originally Posted by slantgolf (Post 3407070)

unless it changed really recently, two newhire fos cannot take an LOE together. Must be a qualified captain or captain candidate in the left seat.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3406447)

Ord has lost about 50% to skw and rah.

Originally Posted by Ilikeplanes96 (Post 3440949)

Hey guys. Just wondering how long after you put in an app are you guys getting calls?

Originally Posted by Ilikeplanes96 (Post 3440949)

Hey guys. Just wondering how long after you put in an app are you guys getting calls?

Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3440970)

Questions from a pilot looking to jump ship from their current regional. The first 6 are gripes about my company and wondering what it’s like at Envoy. The rest deal with these new pay rates and bonuses:

1. Duty days always getting extended into min rest
Not always. Last day of reserve block - 50/50 chance

2. On hold with crew scheduling 2-3+ hours constantly even when not in IROPS
Nah, 5-10 mins normal ops, IROPS - depends how bad. I had 15-45 hold times

3. Early starts/late finishes no commuter friendly trips
50/50

4. Won’t honor day off requests
Depends on what exactly you're asking, need more details

5. Overall morale of pilot group is fairly toxic
Complaining is always going to be there. Toxic - I wouldn't go that far.

6. Mgmt dragging its feet in negotiations, seemingly not interested in retaining pilots. Obviously AA Mgmt came to the table but what about Envoy’s Mgmt?
That's a long conversation.

7. The way the bonus table reads since I don’t have 750 hours I might not be eligible for any of the bonuses. Is that correct?
I think there's some newhire bonus, but someone who knows better will hopefully chime in.

8. I don’t have anywhere near 750 hours yet but I am type rated in the E175 so would I be eligible for the $7,500 type rating bonus?
no idea on the new hire bonuses

9. Would I be guaranteed the E175 since I am already type rated in that aircraft?
Nope

10. How is the training footprint different for a pilot who’s already type rated in that aircraft?
It isn't

11. I read that Captain pay is applied at 750 hours but what if I chose not to upgrade or is upgrade forced upon reaching 1,000 121 hours?
It isn't forced yet. Has been in the past

12. Could I be allowed to bypass the bonuses all together?
The collective 150k - yes. Rest don't know

13. I read that training is in Irving, TX. Are your sims there too?
Mostly yes

14. I read you now have 12 hour long call reserve. That must only be a percentage of reserves on any given day right? Do you require “airport standby” reserve?
We don't have it in place yet
There is standby

15. What exactly does “up to four” hotel rooms for commuters mean? How does commuter hotel rooms work?
Pretty much like that - if you need commuter hotel, the company will provide up to 4 a month

16. Regarding non-rev travel: how many “friends” are eligible? The wording does use the plural form of friend(s).
one registered companion + buddy passes

17. How much is the “training salary”? Are we talking about 70-75 hour credit at appropriate years of service or some much lower arbitrary number?
cant remember, wasnt bad.

18. When are you expecting to convert to the PBS system since the website says “coming soon”?
TBD

19. If given a CJO would I have advance access to any training materials like a study guide especially containing flows and callouts prior to training?
I don't believe so, you get access at your day 1 of indoc

I very much look forward to your responses. Thank you in advance for your time and effort in answering my questions.

Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3441037)

I think they mean 750 (Part 121) hours.

Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3440970)

16. Regarding non-rev travel: how many “friends” are eligible? The wording does use the plural form of friend(s).
16 "buddy passes"

17. How much is the “training salary”? Are we talking about 70-75 hour credit at appropriate years of service or some much lower arbitrary number?
64 hours at year 1 FO pay plus per diem

Originally Posted by BurnCycle (Post 3441061)

To answer two of them:

Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3441076)

Thank you for the replies. What exactly is a “buddy pass”? Just one buddy? A monthly/yearly allotment of passes to give anyone?

Originally Posted by BurnCycle (Post 3441078)

It's a pass that you can give to anyone, and you have 16 per year.

Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3441087)

Oh that’s neat. We have to choose 1 person for the year. Is the buddy pass totally free to them or a discount or are there fees like taxes etc.?

Originally Posted by DocMcFly (Post 3441087)

Oh that’s neat. We have to choose 1 person for the year. Is the buddy pass totally free to them or a discount or are there fees like taxes etc.?

Originally Posted by Ilikeplanes96 (Post 3440949)

Hey guys. Just wondering how long after you put in an app are you guys getting calls?

Originally Posted by nkweb (Post 3441097)

So does a new hire FO that's eligible for direct entry captain still get all those bonuses plus the $145/hr? All of these bonus and pay programs are a bit confusing... What is the training pay now and what can a new hire who has previous 121 expect?

Originally Posted by fatman (Post 3441207)

as far as I know, we don’t tend to actually hire decs. We hire them as an FO, and then the next bid, generally before you finish training, will force you to upgrade. So more than likely you’ll get the same treatment/pay everyone else gets.
1st yr FO pay / 64hrs a month. Until finish training. Then you’d upgrade to the $145.

Originally Posted by nkweb (Post 3441222)

Are you forced to upgrade if you have the hours as a new hire or can you fly as an FO for a few months to gain some experience?

Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3441339)

without having to lower standards

Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3441348)

fly with some new hire FOs fresh off IOE. Airmanship standards are way down.