Originally Posted by Planegeek (Post 3466023)

Not a cadet and no 121 time. Just a cfi and I got my cjo in march or April. From a couple other people on various posts classes seemed to be mostly non121 the past month with only a couple people each class having previous 121. My friend was a cadet at atp who just went to ctp and was the only person from envoy there. There’s definitely a hierarchy and priority system but no telling what it is also just of note my friend also doesn’t have a class date and envoy wouldn’t confirm one till after ctp which was two weeks ago

Imo they are giving priority to previous hires awaiting class. Those that were backlogged and given the orientation and on payroll but awaiting class. Then 121 then cadets. As more previous 121 and cadets come online awaiting class they jump the queue of those waiting for for a date with lower priority.

Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3466053)

So you’ve already done ATP/CTP with envoy?


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Originally Posted by Planegeek (Post 3466059)

No I still need ctp. I’m not waiting for envoy though. I have 2 more interviews set up next week and if someone offers me a start date I’m taking it.

Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3466266)

Send them an email with your CJO Start Date from the competition and maybe that will get ya in class sooner?

Originally Posted by flightvector (Post 3466332)

I wonder if this will work or if they know they are paying and have a plethora of people and wont care. Just curious on what their mentality would be on this.

On a side not I was in the interview last week as well 1 of 3 CFI's and 1 other commercial pilot. All others at the interview were prior 121 or some amount of experience. The briefing during the interview they told the 121 guys they would be in class within the next month where as the guys that were off the street we got told expect October or November, (one mentioned could be September). So I have no idea what we are looking at class wise. It does seem the 121 guys are getting the priority.

Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3466338)

If the guy/girl really wants Envoy but is definitely going to take a class date sooner at another Regional, then try it and see. Since his/her mind has already been made that they were going elsewhere, if Envoy doesn’t get them a class date, no harm/no foul.

Originally Posted by Planegeek (Post 3466345)

Still need another cjo. I only interviewed at envoy. I have interviews this week and next.

Side note from the other response above. If envoy is now telling you it’ll be 3-4 months expect 6-8. They’ve been telling people up till last month there was no wait when in reality it was closer to 2 months. Like I said earlier. No only do they have a backlog of people who are on payroll waiting for indoc but they have others who requested class dates ahead of you and on top of that they have more cadets reaching mins everyday and prior 121 applicants interviewing that’ll jump the line and extend how long till class

Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 3469443)

What’s the turnaround time from applying to conditional offer for prior 121 applicants?

Originally Posted by JeffW85 (Post 3469447)

Overnight.

Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3469461)

Is there a threshold to how much time you need 121 for a conditional offer vs going in for a face to face interview?

Originally Posted by JeffW85 (Post 3469468)

I honestly don’t know.
Been out of the 121 game since ‘18 but have 6700ish hours of it.
CJO in my inbox before 10am eastern the next day.
As the saying goes, your mileage may vary.

Originally Posted by Lesavions (Post 3470100)

It’s been about 2 years since I’ve flown. No sim ride, no interview. Just a logbook review and drug testing in Dallas. Pretty chill. Class date offer about 2-3 weeks later.

Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3470961)

For those who didn’t get an overnight CJO, how long to be contacted for an interview?

Anyone get a TBNT without interviewing or just ghosted?


Just got the thanks for applying but we are really busy email. Applied 4 days ago.

Originally Posted by buffalopilot (Post 3471189)

I applied 2 weeks ago, prior 121, currently flying corporate, nothing. Sent several emails with no response

Originally Posted by SlipIt (Post 3471186)

So I received an email a week ago saying they would be happy to schedule my ATP-CTP (starting every M-W-F) and to sign and return a letter of commitment. I returned the LOC and replied I could start as soon as the following Monday- local, no flight needed. Honestly I thought I might be making headway despite the 121 influx. Now I get an email saying “we have what we need, we’ll contact you when we open up ATP-CTP scheduling again.”

Great. Now you have my signed commitment, but don’t call us, we’ll call you. Sure wish I had an idea if it was going to be 3 months, 6 months, indefinite.

Originally Posted by Planegeek (Post 3471271)

Because they are saying whatever they need to to get you in the door as far as they can get you and drag you along till it comes time to pony up and actually bring you on board.

Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3471414)

Mesa is hiring

Originally Posted by bladeboy (Post 3473164)

I was not clear on candidates with prior 121 time and that get a CJO within a few days of applying to Envoy. Do they still have to do a formal interview? or they just show up at HQ to finish background, fingerprints, docs, etc. without interview?

Originally Posted by bladeboy (Post 3477250)

After going to Hq and finishing up new hire paperwork and PRIAs, and everything clears, how long before you get an invite for orientation? Thanks!

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3477283)

They aren’t doing orientations anymore. When you go in, it will be to start indoc. Envoy was bringing people in to get them in the hook. With more people now than they can train, they have no reason to start paying you until they are ready to train you.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3477283)

They aren’t doing orientations anymore. When you go in, it will be to start indoc. Envoy was bringing people in to get them in the hook. With more people now than they can train, they have no reason to start paying you until they are ready to train you.

Originally Posted by jackpilot (Post 3477306)

Is it accurate to say... 2-3 weeks after logbook review, fingerprints, and drug test to be contacted for scheduling Indoc?

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3477283)

They aren’t doing orientations anymore. When you go in, it will be to start indoc. Envoy was bringing people in to get them in the hook. With more people now than they can train, they have no reason to start paying you until they are ready to train you.

Originally Posted by Sasquatched (Post 3477719)

This is false. My buddy is going to Orientation in a week. His class date is in September.

Originally Posted by Sasquatched (Post 3477719)

This is false. My buddy is going to Orientation in a week. His class date is in September.

Originally Posted by Planegeek (Post 3477739)

I think your buddy is confused then. They told me back in may they weren’t doing orientation. Maybe he’s going in for finger printing and drug screening

Originally Posted by Justsendit16 (Post 3477764)

Does he have prior 121 time?

Originally Posted by Planegeek (Post 3477739)

I think your buddy is confused then. They told me back in may they weren’t doing orientation. Maybe he’s going in for finger printing and drug screening