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Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3486260)
Bookings are down outside normal trends. Recession impact is coming.
Please Lord, let these pay raises last for several years! |
He's right, but it's time to grab with both hands. With the OT situation now our lineholder captains should be making 20k a month minimum imo.
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What's the current commuter policies? Hotels, Good faith attempts, etc... (prior Envoy thinking of doing the return)
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Originally Posted by Grabo172
(Post 3487344)
What's the current commuter policies? Hotels, Good faith attempts, etc... (prior Envoy thinking of doing the return)
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Originally Posted by Planegeek
(Post 3487394)
No hotels, 2 good faith attempts and 2 call outs every 6 months
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Originally Posted by BigZ
(Post 3487534)
huh? 4 commuter hotels a month at Envoy last I checked
Really, if you're a line holder, there should not be a need for a crashpad. Reserve though? Thank goodness movement is quick. |
Originally Posted by Planegeek
(Post 3487394)
No hotels, 2 good faith attempts and 2 call outs every 6 months
You have a third of that right. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3485265)
Mesa. 100/hr 76 hour guarantee. In training.
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Originally Posted by Planegeek
(Post 3487394)
No hotels, 2 good faith attempts and 2 call outs every 6 months
-4 hotels/month. -2 flights to get you to base before sign in time. After that you must continue to make a “good faith” attempt to get to base to catch up with the rest of your trip. Anything you get removed from due to not making it in will be unpaid. |
Originally Posted by Planegeek
(Post 3487394)
No hotels, 2 good faith attempts and 2 call outs every 6 months
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Originally Posted by BurnCycle
(Post 3488808)
Yeah, that guy obviously has no idea what he's talking about. As has been said, 4 a month.
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After orientation when do they typically put you in a class? I’m about to go to orientation but they’re sending me home the next day. Does class typically start the following week?
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Originally Posted by Flyguy255
(Post 3488859)
After orientation when do they typically put you in a class? I’m about to go to orientation but they’re sending me home the next day. Does class typically start the following week?
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I went in recently for finger prints and all that stuff. How long to hear back on an orientation date? Is it true it may be sooner with more qualifying time? I have about 2500 121 and a prior 121 Captain. Just hoping to not have to go to recurrent next month with my current gig.
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Originally Posted by Grabo172
(Post 3487344)
What's the current commuter policies? Hotels, Good faith attempts, etc... (prior Envoy thinking of doing the return)
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Originally Posted by Oldrjpilot
(Post 3490178)
I went in recently for finger prints and all that stuff. How long to hear back on an orientation date? Is it true it may be sooner with more qualifying time? I have about 2500 121 and a prior 121 Captain. Just hoping to not have to go to recurrent next month with my current gig.
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
(Post 3490196)
I have to ask why you’d come back? Where did you go that is so horrible that you’d be willing to come back to RW and RN being the geniuses that they are? Sure, the money has improved as well as other QOL items, but unless you went to fly a 172 it can’t be worse than this.
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Light at the end of the tunnel?
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have some inside.scoop on a possible timeline currently? I'm a "new hire" with 1600 hours, I got hired in July, went to Texas for my interview, board and testing. A few weeks ago they sent back to Texas for ATP/CTP, I passed that course and sent in my paperwork, I didn't get a reply or an acknowledgement. I've called and emailed a few times and I can't get anyone to call or return emails🤔 |
Originally Posted by 04stangman
(Post 3490894)
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have some inside.scoop on a possible timeline currently? I'm a "new hire" with 1600 hours, I got hired in July, went to Texas for my interview, board and testing. A few weeks ago they sent back to Texas for ATP/CTP, I passed that course and sent in my paperwork, I didn't get a reply or an acknowledgement. I've called and emailed a few times and I can't get anyone to call or return emails🤔 |
[QUOTE=CFIsoonToBeFO;3491262]Here is another applicant’s experience. Very interesting read. https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comments/x8nn3a/a_warning_to_potential_envoy_applicants/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioss mf[/QUOTE]
(not advice) but highly doubt they’ll come after the 5k, I think even cadets are off the hook if they don't get a class date within certain amount of time after they get their hours. Id go elsewhere if I were in that situation. |
Originally Posted by Grabo172
(Post 3487344)
What's the current commuter policies? Hotels, Good faith attempts, etc... (prior Envoy thinking of doing the return)
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Originally Posted by enyPSIsc2b
(Post 3491499)
Why continue to make lateral moves during the current hiring environment?
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How long after fingerprints, drug test, logbook review, etc (CJO, no interview, with prior 121)... are people hearing back to get a firm offer/orientation date?
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Originally Posted by Freedom2A
(Post 3492092)
How long after fingerprints, drug test, logbook review, etc (CJO, no interview, with prior 121)... are people hearing back to get a firm offer/orientation date?
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3298291)
The bad and the ugly start with the numbers are misleading and gets worse from there. You will be on reserve at a company that has possibly the worst reserve rules in the industry. DO NOT do this if you plan to commute. The misleading part is if you leave the company any time before three years for anywhere besides American, you will have to pay back the $30K captain bonus and if you leave for anywhere besides American AT ANY POINT, you will not see the rest of $120K. Don’t expect that you will get to American via the flow. The numbers are pretty much impossible for a new hire.
I think that’s probably enough. Read through the history of this forum. Nothing has changed except the $150K retention bonus that is designed to keep captains at the company until they make it to American, but that is a very small window of people and if you’re not already on property and a captain or close to upgrading, it won’t help you. |
Originally Posted by Freedom2A
(Post 3492092)
How long after fingerprints, drug test, logbook review, etc (CJO, no interview, with prior 121)... are people hearing back to get a firm offer/orientation date?
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Originally Posted by 135HA420
(Post 3493347)
I did my fingerprints and junk a little over a week ago and I just got a orientation date for 10-6 this morning.
Now I have to make the decision between staying at Mesa and upgrading, or moving to Envoy as a DEC. Any advice from current Envoy employees would be appreciated. Gonna be commuting from Louisiana. Have about 4-5 direct flights daily. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 3493743)
Same here, but did my fingerprints/drug screen/logbook review on August 3rd. Apparently the FAA or Mesa didn’t get my paperwork back to Envoy until last week.
Now I have to make the decision between staying at Mesa and upgrading, or moving to Envoy as a DEC. Any advice from current Envoy employees would be appreciated. Gonna be commuting from Louisiana. Have about 4-5 direct flights daily. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 3493743)
Same here, but did my fingerprints/drug screen/logbook review on August 3rd. Apparently the FAA or Mesa didn’t get my paperwork back to Envoy until last week.
Now I have to make the decision between staying at Mesa and upgrading, or moving to Envoy as a DEC. Any advice from current Envoy employees would be appreciated. Gonna be commuting from Louisiana. Have about 4-5 direct flights daily.
Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
(Post 3493747)
Not a current employee, but if layoffs happen with a recession in progress, your seniority at Mesa might save your job.
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3493754)
If you’re flying the 175 out of HOU with Mesa, with the new pay rates, I definitely wouldn’t give up your seniority to go to ENY. That being said, it has a whole lot more to just giving up seniority and starting over at a new airline than it has anything to do with it being ENY or any concern of layoffs. What do you think you will gain by doing so? If there is not something significant to gain by doing so, then don’t. Giving up more than you gain. It’s a lateral move.
I flew with a new Mesa CA the other day, it took him 6 months to upgrade. That’s ridiculous. At least the FO min pay would be livable now, but not when he went through it. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 3493743)
Same here, but did my fingerprints/drug screen/logbook review on August 3rd. Apparently the FAA or Mesa didn’t get my paperwork back to Envoy until last week.
Now I have to make the decision between staying at Mesa and upgrading, or moving to Envoy as a DEC. Any advice from current Envoy employees would be appreciated. Gonna be commuting from Louisiana. Have about 4-5 direct flights daily. |
Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3493940)
You may not get Dfw right away. You’ll be jr on reserve for 3.5 years. What’s the jr base? Commuting to reserve sucks.
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Originally Posted by pangolin
(Post 3493940)
You may not get Dfw right away. You’ll be jr on reserve for 3.5 years. What’s the jr base? Commuting to reserve sucks.
You’ll get DFW within 3-6 months if not right away, and you will be on reserve at most a few months. All 3 bases are very attainable for FOs, DFW is junior captain base. |
Originally Posted by Flyboy68
(Post 3493761)
The training department at Mesa is in disarray. I have no idea when I’ll be able to upgrade (I have the hours by a lot) because of the emphasis on FO’s right now. Besides that, the failure rate for upgrades is very much higher than it should be because of the training department. And Mesa doesn’t have the years of 121 experience credit that Envoy does. I’d be starting at Envoy as an 8 year DEC vs a 4 or 5 year CA at Mesa. Plus the bonuses at Envoy. The money at Envoy would definitely be more.
I flew with a new Mesa CA the other day, it took him 6 months to upgrade. That’s ridiculous. At least the FO min pay would be livable now, but not when he went through it. |
Originally Posted by 3400
(Post 3494130)
Dude you’re a clown, get out of here.
You’ll get DFW within 3-6 months if not right away, and you will be on reserve at most a few months. All 3 bases are very attainable for FOs, DFW is junior captain base. Yes, Pangolin is a clown that doesn’t work at Envoy and is talking out his a$$. |
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 3494157)
Are you at Mesa right now? If so you already have the seniority, years, etc. Training issues is another subject.
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Originally Posted by 135HA420
(Post 3493347)
I did my fingerprints and junk a little over a week ago and I just got a orientation date for 10-6 this morning.
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Originally Posted by 3400
(Post 3494130)
Dude you’re a clown, get out of here.
You’ll get DFW within 3-6 months if not right away, and you will be on reserve at most a few months. All 3 bases are very attainable for FOs, DFW is junior captain base. |
Originally Posted by 04stangman
(Post 3494436)
Are you. Cadet or prior 121?
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Originally Posted by 135HA420
(Post 3494584)
I had about 5 years 121. But I’ve been corporate for the last 3.
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