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Old 02-22-2022 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
The changes to United’s Aviate program announced recently are 2 years and 2,000 hours no interview required CJO to United. They just beat the AA flow by several years.
Curious how they are going to make that work. Any requirements to become a captain? They will run out of captains and experience at the regional.

If they do make it work, things are going to start being very competitive to get in as well as everyone else start scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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Old 02-22-2022 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
The changes to United’s Aviate program announced recently are 2 years and 2,000 hours no interview required CJO to United. They just beat the AA flow by several years.
Except that’s not the deal. Or, at least, it’s misleading. Yes they get a CJO once they are qualified, but they are still getting class dates in seniority order. UAL is “targeting” hiring 1-2% of the list per month. No guarantee. The equivalent point for ENY pilots is 12 months as CA. The DECs were in that position after one year. Does that mean ENY flow beats Aviate by a year?
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Old 02-23-2022 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Except that’s not the deal. Or, at least, it’s misleading. Yes they get a CJO once they are qualified, but they are still getting class dates in seniority order. UAL is “targeting” hiring 1-2% of the list per month. No guarantee. The equivalent point for ENY pilots is 12 months as CA. The DECs were in that position after one year. Does that mean ENY flow beats Aviate by a year?
Trying to understand your statement. How does 12 months as captain and DECs put anyone on an equivalent position as DECs have no seniority. Also, with training and just physical limitations, there is no way to get 2K hours with a carrier, best case at MAYBE 27-30 months and then there is still that whole seniority thing.
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Old 02-23-2022 | 03:35 PM
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Well sounds like recruiters are back to blatant lying to candidates. A recruiter told someone I know well that they are just about to start giving AA seniority numbers to Envoy pilots.
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Old 02-23-2022 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
Well sounds like recruiters are back to blatant lying to candidates. A recruiter told someone I know well that they are just about to start giving AA seniority numbers to Envoy pilots.
Different recruiter faces, reverting to similar old lies, exact same upper management team.....
what's the one consistency there?
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Old 02-23-2022 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Trying to understand your statement. How does 12 months as captain and DECs put anyone on an equivalent position as DECs have no seniority. Also, with training and just physical limitations, there is no way to get 2K hours with a carrier, best case at MAYBE 27-30 months and then there is still that whole seniority thing.
Its the same thing because at ENY after 12 months as a CA you are “qualified “ to go to AA. You just have to wait your turn. Under Aviate you’ll be “qualified” to go to UAL after 2000 hours, but… you still have to wait your turn. You can’t say Aviate outpaces ENY flow until we see how many Aviate candidates UAL is actually taking per month.

I’m not saying one or the other is better, just saying that we really don’t know yet how long the flow to UAL will be for someone hired today.
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Old 02-25-2022 | 07:02 AM
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flow bonus now and aa nombre now or the REs will continue. sure AA has nice bases but they're virtually guaranteed to drag you through a ch. 11 within the next 10 years. united and delta (if you can stomach the culture), and some of the package people are all better options on their face.
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Old 02-25-2022 | 08:24 AM
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Default CJO trade for AA class

Can anyone PM me who I should work with to try and turn my Legacy CJO into a AA CJO?
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Old 02-25-2022 | 08:25 AM
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Which legacy?
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Old 02-25-2022 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Vne469
Can anyone PM me who I should work with to try and turn my Legacy CJO into a AA CJO?
that's not a thing, some have claimed that AA offered to interview them through the normal process based on a CJO from United but so far the only on-the-spot CJOs handed out without a real interview were at NGPA.
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