now yes, before no. They went from zero to hero in 250 hours. It sucked for the IOE check airmen.

 

Honestly, I’m miserable here. I am desperate to leave here for something else or just leave the industry all together. The management is about as horrible as they can be. We are treated worse than a number. The union I know they try, I really do, there are some great guys there. But honestly I think it’s to little to late sometimes and we cave at the negotiating table and then the finger pointing on who’s fault it is. I’m sorry to the union guys. I know y’all work hard and sometimes it’s out of your control… but for real come on this place is a joke. Scheduling borders on abuse 99% of the time. Being middle bottom of the reserve list is a miserable place to be. I’m sure I’ll get “it used to be worse” comments or something negative but honestly an airline shouldn’t make me want to quit aviation all together. Honestly, this place is awful. I wish someone would realize their employees are miserable and fix it. But they just don’t care. Honestly I’m sure Mesa would be better, no offense to Mesa guys.

 

You know it’s bad when they call folks who left for other airlines a while back to try to junior man them.

If the company realized that treating people with dignity and respect would go a long way, im sure they would change their ways; however, management has been the same for so long I don't see anything changing for the better in the near future. Envoy’s loss Kirbys gain I guess.

 

That's not just Envoy. Back around 2004 I showed up for a CRJ200 trip (Mesa) in PHL. No F/A showed up. Turns out she had quit like 2 weeks prior.

I went out on medical at Mesa because I needed FAA clearance to resume flying after a bout with skin cancer. Based on what the Doc at AMAS told me I told Mesa about 2 months of leave would be needed. Near the end of that 2 months still no clearance from the FAA. I get an email from another pilot wanting to know if I could pick up a trip a leg early so he could start vacation or something. I'm like WTF? I do not have a valid medical. Checked the scheduling computer program and there I was, automatically scheduled to fly with no medical yet

 

If you’re miserable then leave, there’s nothing stopping you. Spirit/Frontier would love to have you and they’re great places to work.

There’s plenty of people here who don’t absolutely hate their lives here and make the best of it.

 

That's the point. Nobody should have to be "making the best of it."

 

Maybe he’s trying to say they have been to places way worse than this. Bottom feeder regionals, ruthless part 135 outfits, military helicopters and/or getting shot at. Driving a truck OTR, or any real work for that matter.

I don’t think most here feel like they are making the best of it. I think most know there are issues, many similar to other outfits, but overall not a bad place to work. But to feel that honestly, you gotta have perspective. That does not mean one is brainwashed or has rose glasses, just perspective. Certainly if one is miserable, find something else, but for those who don’t feel miserable, that’s ok too.

as long as all have a plan to better their position, or even stay if that Is what is right for them, that’s all that matters.

 

He's got a point in a sense that nothing is as annoying as having a crewmember on board that doesn't get the concept of "You don't have to be here if you don't want to be here".

 

I agree. I'm all for higher pay, better scheduling, easy flights and 5 star hotels, but the fact is that the HUGE majority of the people (Pilots) I see and talk to are generally happy. Sure, we want more.... but those of you who are "Truly miserable" are in all likelihood just generally miserable people anyway. You do realize that minimum wage is like $7.25 an hour, and literally millions of people would love to only be as miserable as Mach69?

 

If course it’s not perfect here. Of course there are a lot of improvements to make. But we’re a regional, we are a cost-effective way to fly smaller planes for a mainline carrier, that results in a lower QOL than a legacy or major airline.

I’ve had the privilege of working for crappy companies doing crappy jobs and let me tell you: DTS’ing 3 weeks at a time off for vacation, great vision and dental (to me at least), 4 on 3 off, making pay band C, company matching in my 401K (most of the time … It’s a long way from miserable.