Pilot Recruiting
01-20-2022 | 11:57 AM
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01-20-2022 | 12:04 PM
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Just my take: people aren’t leaving because of poor pay and QOL. People are leaving because they’re getting hired at United and Delta and everywhere else. Envoy is never going to match pay/QOL of legacy and LCCs. There is nothing Envoy can do except try to get more bodies in the front door and train/upgrade them as fast as they can.
01-20-2022 | 02:40 PM
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But by the same token, as was pointed out, even with the best flight file, there is no regional that can compete with any ULLC/LLC, major or legacy.
01-20-2022 | 03:04 PM
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how many pilots are there? APC says there are 2400 (info could be dated) but if 95 leave every month, that means they would loose almost 2400 in 2 years. I know they replace/hire every month also, but at that rate a new hire today could be at the top of the list in 2 years?
01-20-2022 | 04:07 PM
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how many pilots are there? APC says there are 2400 (info could be dated) but if 95 leave every month, that means they would loose almost 2400 in 2 years. I know they replace/hire every month also, but at that rate a new hire today could be at the top of the list in 2 years?
01-20-2022 | 04:16 PM
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how many pilots are there? APC says there are 2400 (info could be dated) but if 95 leave every month, that means they would loose almost 2400 in 2 years. I know they replace/hire every month also, but at that rate a new hire today could be at the top of the list in 2 years?
01-20-2022 | 04:19 PM
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how many pilots are there? APC says there are 2400 (info could be dated) but if 95 leave every month, that means they would loose almost 2400 in 2 years. I know they replace/hire every month also, but at that rate a new hire today could be at the top of the list in 2 years?
01-20-2022 | 05:25 PM
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Envoy obviously isn't going to match mainline rates. They'll either staple us or fire us all, move the flying to mainline, and close the shop if it comes to that.
There's a lot they could do, though. Plenty of regionals have stuff in their contracts that compensate fairly for wasted time such as sits or lost days or inefficient low credit days - we're on a punitive contract that is intentionally miserable to the pilots, forced on those that preceded us under threat of mass termination.
They could also stop being such petty jerks about attendance, based on the tone of crew room grousing that would do a lot to help morale.
They won't do anything though until it's a dire emergency and they've junior manned every single pilot to the absolute limit. That's the Envoy way.
There's a lot they could do, though. Plenty of regionals have stuff in their contracts that compensate fairly for wasted time such as sits or lost days or inefficient low credit days - we're on a punitive contract that is intentionally miserable to the pilots, forced on those that preceded us under threat of mass termination.
They could also stop being such petty jerks about attendance, based on the tone of crew room grousing that would do a lot to help morale.
They won't do anything though until it's a dire emergency and they've junior manned every single pilot to the absolute limit. That's the Envoy way.
01-20-2022 | 09:36 PM
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Envoy obviously isn't going to match mainline rates. They'll either staple us or fire us all, move the flying to mainline, and close the shop if it comes to that.
There's a lot they could do, though. Plenty of regionals have stuff in their contracts that compensate fairly for wasted time such as sits or lost days or inefficient low credit days - we're on a punitive contract that is intentionally miserable to the pilots, forced on those that preceded us under threat of mass termination.
They could also stop being such petty jerks about attendance, based on the tone of crew room grousing that would do a lot to help morale.
They won't do anything though until it's a dire emergency and they've junior manned every single pilot to the absolute limit. That's the Envoy way.
There's a lot they could do, though. Plenty of regionals have stuff in their contracts that compensate fairly for wasted time such as sits or lost days or inefficient low credit days - we're on a punitive contract that is intentionally miserable to the pilots, forced on those that preceded us under threat of mass termination.
They could also stop being such petty jerks about attendance, based on the tone of crew room grousing that would do a lot to help morale.
They won't do anything though until it's a dire emergency and they've junior manned every single pilot to the absolute limit. That's the Envoy way.
Even little improvements like call first/call last list on reserve, JE said it is too complicated and they can never make it work. Even when it was suggested they could just use the turnback list for it. No, too complicated, can't do it.
If they just would understand that you can be cheap, but treat your people well, a lot more pilots would stay. They just do not have the mental capacity to ever understand that. Shame really.
01-21-2022 | 03:02 AM
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If your recruiters info is to be believed, then they are lining up out the door and down Regent Blvd. One comment that was particularly funny; "Guys are literally flinging themselves at Envoy because of the guaranteed position at AA."
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