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Old 09-22-2021, 11:49 AM
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Not fast enough. SWAG is 7 years.
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Old 09-22-2021, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Gooselives View Post
What is the projected flow time for a new hire?
March 2030 is showing latest alpa list for most junior guy
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Old 09-22-2021, 12:53 PM
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In the next 5 years, it is expected that the major airlines are going to hire 22,000 pilots.

Current flow projections are completely useless.
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That 22000 numbers has been mentioned for the last 6 years
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
That 22000 numbers has been mentioned for the last 6 years
the legacies alone did 623 new hires last month. That’s well above 22,000 over 5 years. Factor in the LCC and ACMI and it’s not only entirely possible, it becomes highly probable.
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Not fast enough. SWAG is 7 years.
7 year flow for a new hire today is absolutely absurd. 10 year minimum.
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Old 09-22-2021, 08:41 PM
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7 year flow for a new hire today is absolutely absurd. 10 year minimum.
Nah.
7-8 years is realistic.
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Old 09-23-2021, 05:26 AM
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Eight (8) new contract violation grievances filed already just this one month. That’s after biweekly meetings and other mitigation practices that usually resolve things before an actual grievance is filed. I’m afraid to ask how many contract violations there were that didn’t end up a grievance.
contract is an 8 year old amendment of a 16 year contract and the company continues to violate the pilot contract regularly. You’d think after 24 years they’d have a pretty good idea what they shouldn’t do…. Nope, they just don’t care, don’t abide by written agreements, and punish their employees who dare speak out.
why would anybody want to work for such a management team?
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Originally Posted by Cujo665 View Post
Eight (8) new contract violation grievances filed already just this one month. That’s after biweekly meetings and other mitigation practices that usually resolve things before an actual grievance is filed. I’m afraid to ask how many contract violations there were that didn’t end up a grievance.
contract is an 8 year old amendment of a 16 year contract and the company continues to violate the pilot contract regularly. You’d think after 24 years they’d have a pretty good idea what they shouldn’t do…. Nope, they just don’t care, don’t abide by written agreements, and punish their employees who dare speak out.
why would anybody want to work for such a management team?
Excellent point. Explains why they’re backing up the Brinks truck with all these bonuses. Looks like 332.5k in extra $$$ for a new hire FO who has a year or so of 121 experience and stays for the duration. On top of regular pay. You’d think it was cheaper to not abuse your pilot group, but I guess none of us are management material.

This whole thing sounds like a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
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Excellent point. Explains why they’re backing up the Brinks truck with all these bonuses. Looks like 332.5k in extra $$$ for a new hire FO who has a year or so of 121 experience and stays for the duration. On top of regular pay. You’d think it was cheaper to not abuse your pilot group, but I guess none of us are management material.

This whole thing sounds like a band-aid on a sucking chest wound.
Huh?

I don’t think you understand the bonus.

Read through this thread again. The $182.5K includes the $150K. That’s why I said few who were hired with enough time to qualify would stay to see it.
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