Originally Posted by cr700

Back on topic. As the need for pilots expands, Envoy has pulled out all the stops and is offering $150,000 in bonuses on top of regular pay. Truthfully, we now have thousands of apps on file with the regular applicants and cadets. It's just a matter of finding the right hire and the environment is competitive. The cadet program is soaring and we are getting tons of qualified apps from fixed wing and RTP military guys in addition to Part 61 type flight instructors and guys who have already been flying 135. Overall, Envoy is having zero problem recruiting, again, it's just a matter of making the right hire.

Originally Posted by cr700

Back on topic. As the need for pilots expands, Envoy has pulled out all the stops and is offering $150,000 in bonuses on top of regular pay. Truthfully, we now have thousands of apps on file with the regular applicants and cadets. It's just a matter of finding the right hire and the environment is competitive. The cadet program is soaring and we are getting tons of qualified apps from fixed wing and RTP military guys in addition to Part 61 type flight instructors and guys who have already been flying 135. Overall, Envoy is having zero problem recruiting, again, it's just a matter of making the right hire.

Originally Posted by cr700

Back on topic. As the need for pilots expands, Envoy has pulled out all the stops and is offering $150,000 in bonuses on top of regular pay. Truthfully, we now have thousands of apps on file with the regular applicants and cadets. It's just a matter of finding the right hire and the environment is competitive. The cadet program is soaring and we are getting tons of qualified apps from fixed wing and RTP military guys in addition to Part 61 type flight instructors and guys who have already been flying 135. Overall, Envoy is having zero problem recruiting, again, it's just a matter of making the right hire.

Originally Posted by FlyGuy2021

The problem is that when you "half" the regionals, you are taking the top half off as the majority of the hires will be captains.

For easy math, let's say there is a fictions airline that has 1000 actual line captains (with medical, not on leave, and actually flying every month.) Then, in a 5 month span, they lose 200 captains (40 per month). The airline will start to park airplanes because they can not staff the flying. Thus, fewer FOs will be needed. They will do everything that they can to hire street captains and to upgrade all of the FOs that are eligible. Huge bonuses for street captains (as you see now at several carriers) will pop up, and the airlines will do everything that they can to prevent pilots from leaving (huge retention bonuses, as you see now).

Then they lose another 200.

Then another 200.

The attrition will be faster than FO's can fly 1000 hours and upgrade to captain.

Think about it. It takes at least 2 years of busy flying to really become a captain (initial training, IOE, building time, then upgrade training, OE). In the matter of 1 year, the regionals could lose +6000 captains, and at 18 months, lose closer to 10,000. Losing captains that aren't replaced means fewer flights, which means fewer FO's building time, which means fewer FO's eligible to upgrade in the future. It is a vicious cycle.

If the regionals lose 10,000 pilots to the majors, they will be much smaller than 1/2 the size that they are now. They might be a 1/4 of the size. The cycle has already started, as is evident by the huge retention and street captain bonuses.

Originally Posted by achfly

You're completely right.... CommutAir experienced this for a minute this summer when they stopped getting EXJ captains.... During the previous 18 months their FOs hadn't flown enough to upgrade..... We've lost so many captains and LCAs... the LCAs still around are ONLY doing IOE for the upgrades that are coming through. I passed my checkride on 19 July.... Haven't been contacted about IOE yet... Everyone says- enjoy your paid vacation! Yeah, after taxes and health insurance I'm getting about 2100 a month. Doesn't cover the bills. I've got 1k hours part 121(E175) but opted to go through training as an FO rather than captain due to being out of the cockpit for over a year and not being familiar with the E145 (or C5's turboprop procedures) I was planning to upgrade right after consolidation but now looks like there's gonna be 30-40 of us that won't make it through consolidation. I should have been in upgrade this month...
So here I find myself strolling around Envoy forums waiting to see how your vacancy plays out. DEC on 175 in DFW???? LOL Probably wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by highfarfast

Wishful thinking indeed. You’d permanently reserve on the 145 for sure and probably a good long stint at ORD if we go the DEC route again.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude

Everything said about DECs living in continual hell for a few years is definitely true, BUT it will probably be 18 months before ENY needs DECs again and that all depends on what happens between now and then. As we have seen, things can change literally almost over night.

Originally Posted by eligible2flow

lol how do you figure 18 months?