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eligible2flow 10-04-2021 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3304180)
I think it’s tough to tell. We have 500 FOs legal for upgrade right now, I would guess we’ll probably upgrade 100 a quarter for the next year…but we should also have another 2-300 meet the hours. Pretty much everyone who didn’t get furlough should have the hours by January 2023.

I think it all depends on junior CA/senior FO attrition. If it stays 15-25/mo we may be doing forced upgrades this time next year

2000+ seniority guys are getting hired at majors. It's not staying at 15-25/mo, it will go up.

pitchattitude 10-04-2021 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by eligible2flow (Post 3304162)
lol how do you figure 18 months?

It’s a SWAG, based on a finely calibrated E6B and abacus while looking at the past happenings and peering into a foggy crystal ball through RayBans.

AV8R72 10-04-2021 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by eligible2flow (Post 3304192)
2000+ seniority guys are getting hired at majors. It's not staying at 15-25/mo, it will go up.

It went down since august. It was only 27 in September

Chato 10-04-2021 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3304203)
It went down since august. It was only 27 in September

Nice to know, totally missed that email from ALPA

TransWorld 10-04-2021 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by eligible2flow (Post 3304192)
2000+ seniority guys are getting hired at majors. It's not staying at 15-25/mo, it will go up.

In 2022, all the majors (PAX and Freight Dogs) plus the LCCs are forecast to hire 9,000. After hiring ex military and other sources of pilots (charter, etc.), that translates to a net of about 1/3 of all the regional pilots.

Chato 10-04-2021 12:19 PM

would be interesting to know whats next if the % of all active captains that turn in the repayment agreement is low. They’re really pushing for it

pitchattitude 10-04-2021 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3304268)
would be interesting to know whats next if the % of all active captains that turn in the repayment agreement is low. They’re really pushing for it

Yep. If you’re eligible now, you have to sign it and take it NOW, or not at all.

AV8R72 10-04-2021 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3304205)
Nice to know, totally missed that email from ALPA

I haven’t seen it published anywhere. It was noted in a P2P meeting I saw notes from

Naviator 10-05-2021 12:58 AM


Originally Posted by achfly (Post 3303890)
You're completely right.... CommutAir experienced this for a minute this summer when they stopped getting EXJ captains.... During the previous 18 months their FOs hadn't flown enough to upgrade..... We've lost so many captains and LCAs... the LCAs still around are ONLY doing IOE for the upgrades that are coming through. I passed my checkride on 19 July.... Haven't been contacted about IOE yet... Everyone says- enjoy your paid vacation! Yeah, after taxes and health insurance I'm getting about 2100 a month. Doesn't cover the bills. I've got 1k hours part 121(E175) but opted to go through training as an FO rather than captain due to being out of the cockpit for over a year and not being familiar with the E145 (or C5's turboprop procedures) I was planning to upgrade right after consolidation but now looks like there's gonna be 30-40 of us that won't make it through consolidation. I should have been in upgrade this month...
So here I find myself strolling around Envoy forums waiting to see how your vacancy plays out. DEC on 175 in DFW???? LOL Probably wishful thinking.

come to Breeze.

JustAsking 12-01-2021 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3304207)
In 2022, all the majors (PAX and Freight Dogs) plus the LCCs are forecast to hire 9,000. After hiring ex military and other sources of pilots (charter, etc.), that translates to a net of about 1/3 of all the regional pilots.

So out of curiosity, what do you all think would be the smart/best next step for a 23 year old Regional FO with 2,500 hours, 1,000 of which are 121 SIC (the rest were PIC as CFI) with a 4 year degree, no background issues, able to live anywhere (can move to whatever base). Only downside is straight white male, so no diversity boxes checked.


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