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#41

KirillTheThrill , 10-28-2021 08:22 PM

Banned

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Originally Posted by dera

Hard to see how the regional model can compete. Even ACMIs pay so well these days. 1st year Atlas FOs making 205/hr, and senior CAs making 520/hr for some flights, without doing OT.

That 50/hr for the dream of flowing one day just isn't going to cut it.

Hey Dera, we finally agree on something 😀.

#42

dera , 10-28-2021 08:26 PM

In a land of unicorns

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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill

Hey Dera, we finally agree on something 😀.

You agree with my math now, 205/hr is 4x regional FO hourly pay?

#43

KirillTheThrill , 10-28-2021 08:36 PM

Banned

Quote:

Originally Posted by dera

You agree with my math now, 205/hr is 4x regional FO hourly pay?

Nah not that part, but don’t worry I don’t count GoJet paying their pilots 300% either. Technically they’re the highest paid regional pilots in the industry right now 😃.

#44

dera , 10-28-2021 08:39 PM

In a land of unicorns

Quote:

Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill

Nah not that part, but don’t worry I don’t count GoJet paying their pilots 300% either. Technically they’re the highest paid regional pilots in the industry right now 😃.

That's OT pay though. The 205/hr is not. Plenty of 175% flying here as part of your awarded line.

#45

pitchattitude , 10-28-2021 08:58 PM

Gets Weekends Off

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Originally Posted by dera

The WOs aren’t the only ones paying $50ish/hr. Mesa to Skywest and everything in between aren’t paying that much different. SKW is planning on growing to 7K pilots by end of next year. No flow with anyone else. I foresee changes. There will have to be, but the demise of regionals is not around the corner. There is just too much incentive to keep two separate classes of pilots. Still have fractionals and part 135 stuff. Wages and conditions will have to change and more people will start deciding to be pilots again.

#46

FAIPMAFIA , 11-01-2021 03:41 PM

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We must demand better. The union isn’t doing anything unfortunately. It’s actually in crumbles. Everyone keeps living.

#47

dera , 11-01-2021 04:13 PM

In a land of unicorns

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAIPMAFIA

We must demand better. The union isn’t doing anything unfortunately. It’s actually in crumbles. Everyone keeps living.

Demand, how?
How, what and from who, would you demand?

#48

Allegheny , 11-01-2021 04:44 PM

"Yinzer an'at"

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Originally Posted by Excargodog

The problem is that the AAG business model REQUIRES regional feed and they DON’T (at least not yet) need flow. They can (at least at present) meet their mainline new hire needs by hiring ex military, hiring away competitors regional pilots, and hiring ULCC people who are still junior enough to be tempted. But increasing the rate of acquisition of their own regional pilots would just hurt their bottom line. They’d much rather hurt their competitors bottom lines by stealing their pilots than make it harder to keep their own regionals fully staffed.

And I really think if F9 and NK do something about their ludicrous first year pay, a lot of regionals are going to lose a lot of reasonably senior people.

This will be interesting to watch play out.

What he said!!

#49

FAIPMAFIA , 11-01-2021 07:40 PM

Gets Weekends Off

Quote:

Originally Posted by dera

Demand, how?
How, what and from who, would you demand?

Dera! I know you in person. You know exactly what I’m talking about!

TORO

#50

Cleatus99 , 11-01-2021 08:18 PM

New Hire

Would you like to work for a stable, secure..

Maybe trying to fix compensation?

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