Envoy 2022: The Flow of Charlie Bucket
01-06-2022, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by duck of death
Am I missing something? If you took the bonus you have that money in the bank. If you wait until your flow to mainline, you get an additional 70 K plus the 50 K annual bonus. If you go straight to AA outside of the flow, they’re paying you 70 K anyways but not 50 K in retention bonus. How is AA saving money by not hiring you outside the flow? If you didn’t take the bonus they’re not gonna pay you a signing bonus anyway.
For what it’s worth I’m hearing now of more and more pilots getting CJO’s that aren’t anywhere near flow. Either the dam is about to break or more of us are starting to figure out the magic formula.
For what it’s worth I’m hearing now of more and more pilots getting CJO’s that aren’t anywhere near flow. Either the dam is about to break or more of us are starting to figure out the magic formula.
The $2K a month up to $50K is a drop in the bucket compared to the other $100K (30+70) of that equation, especially if hired outside of flow. AAG didn’t come up with the idea of a RETENTION bonus to hire you early.
While you may have that first $30K in the bank, if you leave you have to pay it back.
01-06-2022, 11:58 AM
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Are you artistic? Anyone who took the retention bonus would have to pay it back unless they flow. So if they leave before flow, they just saved 30k right there.
When you flow, envoy gives you 70k on your last paycheck. If you leave before your flow, they don’t have to pay that. So they saved another 70k.
The other 50k is split over two years and is only paid out if you worked a certain amount of hours per year. So if you leave, you wouldn’t be eligible.
So if AA hired a future flow then they’d miss out on saving all that money. Or they can refuse to hire future flows and hire anyone else and not have to pay out.
When you flow, envoy gives you 70k on your last paycheck. If you leave before your flow, they don’t have to pay that. So they saved another 70k.
The other 50k is split over two years and is only paid out if you worked a certain amount of hours per year. So if you leave, you wouldn’t be eligible.
So if AA hired a future flow then they’d miss out on saving all that money. Or they can refuse to hire future flows and hire anyone else and not have to pay out.
01-06-2022, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
That's a great theory, but take a step back and think about it for a minute or two.
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Let's not hire eagle people to save 100k and have the competition snag them. Profit!
Seriously?
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Let's not hire eagle people to save 100k and have the competition snag them. Profit!
Seriously?
The goal of the bonus was to continue to staff the regional for the next 2-3 years. Not so they can pay every WO pilot that gets an offer elsewhere $100k to skip flow.
01-06-2022, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MidsizeSUV
They’re only losing cheap B scale labor. Meanwhile, thousands of non WO pilots are lined up outside AAG HQ that won’t cost $100k+ on day 1 of training.
The goal of the bonus was to continue to staff the regional for the next 2-3 years. Not so they can pay every WO pilot that gets an offer elsewhere $100k to skip flow.
The goal of the bonus was to continue to staff the regional for the next 2-3 years. Not so they can pay every WO pilot that gets an offer elsewhere $100k to skip flow.
Union just said next bid is likely to have some forced upgrades so it pretty obvious current “solutions” aren’t working to keep things staffed.
I saw more than a few who bid the 145 knowing it was junior and that they would leave before they got to training so could collect a few months of captains pay on the way out the door. IDK if the LOA providing captain pay as of award date allows Envoy to reduce pay if you give two week notice.
01-07-2022, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Yes! That $100-150K was a RETENTION bonus to keep WOs staffed with captains, as was the flow. The flow alone has proved to not be enough but they obviously decided increasing it wasn’t the route they wanted to take.
Union just said next bid is likely to have some forced upgrades so it pretty obvious current “solutions” aren’t working to keep things staffed.
I saw more than a few who bid the 145 knowing it was junior and that they would leave before they got to training so could collect a few months of captains pay on the way out the door. IDK if the LOA providing captain pay as of award date allows Envoy to reduce pay if you give two week notice.
Union just said next bid is likely to have some forced upgrades so it pretty obvious current “solutions” aren’t working to keep things staffed.
I saw more than a few who bid the 145 knowing it was junior and that they would leave before they got to training so could collect a few months of captains pay on the way out the door. IDK if the LOA providing captain pay as of award date allows Envoy to reduce pay if you give two week notice.
01-07-2022, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ddts
It's definitely way more than a few. They'll need a new vacancy bid
01-07-2022, 02:21 PM
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Burn baby burn. They can keep hiring, displacing, whatever. All our check airmen are getting hired, and ultimately to convert an ass in class into an ass in a seat they need to be able to train them.
01-07-2022, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Union just said next bid is likely to have some forced upgrades so it pretty obvious current “solutions” aren’t working to keep things staffed.
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