Yeah yeah. We've heard it all before. An Envoy Captain is probably making more than you do. Plus, he flows to American.

You do make some extra money every time you get junior manned which is often so u got a point.

Don’t worry he doesn’t know what a JM is, he rode the office for 95% of his regional days

Envoy Captains making 30k a month like some ACMI FOs are? Doubt it.

I know zero about the specifics at Envoy these days, but I think we're going to find ourselves at a place where more airlines go under in eight to ten months, not years. The truth of the matter is that airlines (at any level) don't operate without LCAs, and at my soon to be former WO the number of those we have is about 25% of what they'd like to have and dwindling fast, to say nothing of instructors, etc.

To the person asking about Wheels Up, count me among the "go to a ULCC" crowd, and quite honestly that's what most of the FOs I've been flying with have been doing.

BUT

I do think there's an outside chance that AA might soon see a longer term value in the pilots that it current has warehoused at its WO'd carriers. What that looks like I have no idea, but the simple fact is that pilots aren't leaving regionals based on strictly financial motivations; they're leaving to go start accruing seniority on a list that will eventually meet those financial motivations. First Legacy management team to have that lightbulb moment and figure out the implications of it wins a prize.

According to the MEC what you suggest is basically impossible with current mgmt, they think a small financial incentive is sufficient.

They’re going to flow us to the street when it’s convenient, probably during the inevitable AA Ch. 11 that’s coming.

I tell people here all the time that the powers that be in DAY don’t have the authority to make the changes that can fix this airline, all of the resides in DFW.

Now, that line doesn’t really work for Envoy because both managements are in DFW, but the premise is still accurate: all of this can only change when Legacy airline management realizes that the current relationship structure between them and the FFD carriers doesn’t work in this environment.

The key question is how many parked airplanes will it take for some MBA to have an “Aha!” moment.


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my worst month last year during covid was $12k; my best was $28k. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

you’ve been institutionalized at Envoy so long that you don’t even realize how far the industry has progressed.

once a guy is hired at Envoy they should immediately begin applying elsewhere. I’ve seen United pick up an FO just off training by 3 months at his first 121 regional job. We told them over 7 years ago that as the looming shortage worsens their flow would become less and less valuable. They didn’t believe it then, and they don’t believe it now. They won’t learn until they shrink to a 1,000 pilot airline.

Whats the best way to use my 20 hrs of sick during my last 2 weeks? Or am I donating to Pedro?

Call in for your last sequence?