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povertyeagle 03-16-2022 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3389517)
I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s not a fair comparison. Corporate/135 is one entire section of the industry vs Envoy as a single pilot group. Do you think more corporate pilots were hired than RJ drivers?

As to the original question:
The industry changes fast. Work somewhere you can live with longer term in case you get stuck there.

He can get 1000hrs TPIC flying 135 without building 1000hrs 121 first. It will be faster. There are pilot getting hired at AA with TPIC in King Air's and Cheyennes, some of it not even 135.

TransWorld 03-16-2022 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by povertyeagle (Post 3389437)
This is old advice.

I can guarantee more corporate/135 pilots were hired at AA in 2022 than Envoy pilots. Even including the flow.

Corporate/135 tend to get turbine PIC faster as well. I would say go, try to upgrade as fast as possible. You'll beat the flow to AA by years.

I assume you mean forecast to be hired in 2022? We are not even one fourth of the way through 2022. Maybe Year to Date?

Swakid8 03-16-2022 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by gbo2 (Post 3389357)
Any specific reason? Commuting to reserve on the 145 for now and see that the schedules are pretty brutal even for line holders with only 2 days off between most trips. Moving to base isn’t an option.

Go ACMI, ULCC.

Cujo665 03-17-2022 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by povertyeagle (Post 3389660)
He can get 1000hrs TPIC flying 135 without building 1000hrs 121 first. It will be faster. There are pilot getting hired at AA with TPIC in King Air's and Cheyennes, some of it not even 135.

1000 TPIC isn’t needed at all anymore to go to a legacy.
the best advice I’ve seen so far in this thread - assuming his goal is a legacy - is to go to Spirit, Frontier and even Allegiant right now. You’ll get hired at the legacy far sooner… and if not you’re already at a good place. Once the Spirit Frontier merge is complete I’ll bet their CBA magically becomes very comparable to legacy rates and benefits.

certain ACMI are even very good choices and have lots of guys moving to legacies. Nobody leaves for the LCC’s anymore at the better ACMI’s as they’ve become good careers too.

it’s a great time to be a pilot.

cr700 03-17-2022 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3390076)
1000 TPIC isn’t needed at all anymore to go to a legacy.
the best advice I’ve seen so far in this thread - assuming his goal is a legacy - is to go to Spirit, Frontier and even Allegiant right now. You’ll get hired at the legacy far sooner… and if not you’re already at a good place. Once the Spirit Frontier merge is complete I’ll bet their CBA magically becomes very comparable to legacy rates and benefits.

certain ACMI are even very good choices and have lots of guys moving to legacies. Nobody leaves for the LCC’s anymore at the better ACMI’s as they’ve become good careers too.

it’s a great time to be a pilot.

Dude, you're like a broken record that nobody listens to anymore. We get it. You bombed on the flow and still have serious butt hurt. You and the other ex rep that CONSTANTLY post here and have it in for the company BOTH need to get a life.

pitchattitude 03-17-2022 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3390139)
Dude, you're like a broken record that nobody listens to anymore. We get it. You bombed on the flow and still have serious butt hurt. You and the other ex rep that CONSTANTLY post here and have it in for the company BOTH need to get a life.

So you think everyone should blindly chug the company KoolAid and wait patiently for a flow that might not even be around in eight to ten years.

There are other options and people need to know what there is.

I know it just tears at your company shill heart strings to think that people may be happier or better off someplace else.

Slow2Final 03-17-2022 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3390139)
Dude, you're like a broken record that nobody listens to anymore.

Pot, meet kettle.

dera 03-17-2022 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3390139)
Dude, you're like a broken record that nobody listens to anymore. We get it. You bombed on the flow and still have serious butt hurt. You and the other ex rep that CONSTANTLY post here and have it in for the company BOTH need to get a life.

I've been off for a month, annoying you is a great way to keep me entertained.

Cujo665 03-17-2022 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3390177)
So you think everyone should blindly chug the company KoolAid and wait patiently for a flow that might not even be around in eight to ten years.

There are other options and people need to know what there is.

I know it just tears at your company shill heart strings to think that people may be happier or better off someplace else.

what bugs him most is they can’t intimidate us from telling the truth anymore and helping those coming after us to a better faster career path than we had, or than Envoy can offer (currently).

Cujo665 03-17-2022 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3390211)
I've been off for a month, annoying you is a great way to keep me entertained.

I was off from Feb 8th until March 12th. Creative bidding and not a single vacation.


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