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Propeller 03-15-2022 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by gbo2 (Post 3389357)
Any specific reason? Commuting to reserve on the 145 for now and see that the schedules are pretty brutal even for line holders with only 2 days off between most trips. Moving to base isn’t an option.

At least being junior youll get called and wont spend much if anything on hotels. Jet > turboprop

pitchattitude 03-15-2022 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by gbo2 (Post 3389328)
Would a move to wheelsup for a low time FO be smart?

Do you want to move on to a bigger airline, or do you want to fly charter? Looks bad moving away from 121, especially to a smaller aircraft, especially not being a jet, even if it is still a turbine.

gbo2 03-15-2022 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by Propeller (Post 3389361)
At least being junior youll get called and wont spend much if anything on hotels. Jet > turboprop

It’s for the Beechcraft 400. My main pull would be for the 8/6 schedule and more time at home. I would love to eventually end up at a legacy.

gbo2 03-15-2022 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3389365)
Do you want to move on to a bigger airline, or do you want to fly charter? Looks bad moving away from 121, especially to a smaller aircraft, especially not being a jet, even if it is still a turbine.

Honestly I’m not sure. Im still so new I don’t know what I don’t know about the aviation industry.

Seeing 90 percent of the lines on the 145 with11-12 days off a month with 2 days off between trips doesn't sound appealing for the next few years.

highfarfast 03-15-2022 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by gbo2 (Post 3389372)
It’s for the Beechcraft 400. My main pull would be for the 8/6 schedule and more time at home. I would love to eventually end up at a legacy.

That s not the best path to a legacy.

uavking 03-15-2022 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by gbo2 (Post 3389328)
Would a move to wheelsup for a low time FO be smart?

Nope. If you want to do airline flying, do airline flying.

povertyeagle 03-15-2022 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 3389435)
Nope. If you want to do airline flying, do airline flying.

This is old advice.

I can guarantee more corporate/135 pilots were hired at AA in 2022 than Envoy pilots. Even including the flow.

Corporate/135 tend to get turbine PIC faster as well. I would say go, try to upgrade as fast as possible. You'll beat the flow to AA by years.

normalperson 03-15-2022 08:49 PM

Just throwing a real life example out there: I was interviewing at F9 recently and among those of us that got a CJO were two young envoy guys with 100 hours in the right seat of the 145. I’d apply at a ULCC and go to a bus rather than a small corporate jet. Just my opinion.

But seriously 03-15-2022 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by povertyeagle (Post 3389437)
This is old advice.

I can guarantee more corporate/135 pilots were hired at AA in 2022 than Envoy pilots. Even including the flow.

Corporate/135 tend to get turbine PIC faster as well. I would say go, try to upgrade as fast as possible. You'll beat the flow to AA by years.

I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s not a fair comparison. Corporate/135 is one entire section of the industry vs Envoy as a single pilot group. Do you think more corporate pilots were hired than RJ drivers?

As to the original question:
The industry changes fast. Work somewhere you can live with longer term in case you get stuck there.

NotChewbacca 03-16-2022 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by normalperson (Post 3389505)
Just throwing a real life example out there: I was interviewing at F9 recently and among those of us that got a CJO were two young envoy guys with 100 hours in the right seat of the 145. I’d apply at a ULCC and go to a bus rather than a small corporate jet. Just my opinion.

From what I’ve seen firsthand this is spot on (take it with a grain of salt because I am in fact just one dude). But I’ve had a couple legacy interviews lately and at each interview about 1/4 of my fellow interviewees were ULCC pilots that were either in initial training or recently typed in the 320. Additionally any ULCC is a step up from a regional and long term probably better than most 135/91 jobs.

Envoy is awful in essentially every aspect. But keep your focus…. You got the job at Envoy with the sole purpose of quitting to get a better job.


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