Does this mean that most, if not all of the new hire spots will go to the 175?

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Nothing official, but it is looking that way. But I would definitely not stake everything on that bet. Envoy has a way of, well, Envoying people.

I am surprised FO displacement to CA was not mentioned. After all this madness, are there many FOs left holding out? I’ve seen some super senior ones changing planes doing day trips, but don’t know how they have not been displaced several years ago before COVID.

There is currently a crop of senior FO's who have not upgraded who may be displaced. With how incompetent our back office people are though it's entirely possible they just haven't realized they need to run a displacement.

The union talked about this in the all call. Fully expected to happen. The whole reason for likely parking planes is lack of qualified FOs to become captains as the hemorrhaging continues.

The last bid was filled and left pilots that still had hours to upgrade. The next bid will probably be filled with displacements of the most junior qualified FOs to 145 captains. Many did not upgrade because they didn’t have seniority to hold the 175 and didn’t want to get seat locked on the 145.

Displacement to captain will happen, but displacement of FOs from 145 to 175 likely NOT going to happen. That’s the attrition that will see the fleet shrink and as long as they have captains to fill the 175 and enough displacements to fill the 145 they will still have some new hires on the 145 as well.

Haven't looked at the training flow plan, but as long as there are bodies to fill upgrade classes scheduled beyond the next regular bid, they won’t run the next one early. Union did say January bid is generally smaller and it is expected the April bid will be larger but no indication yet of how large.

Good thing we downgraded all those captains during the pandemic. I’m sure the savings were immeasurable.

And furloughed 227 people as well. How do Ric and Pedro still have a job? Does anyone at AAG actually evaluate the wholly owned carriers or do they just take the word of their underlings as gospel?

The people doing the evaluating also furloughed people at mainline. It is incompetence top to middle.

Most, if not all, of those downgraded were DECs. I’d be surprised if very many are even still at Envoy.

They also mentioned the possible return of the standing vacancies. The past couple months I’ve flown with several FOs that had the time and seniority but were all holding out because they weren’t sure they’d get the 175.
I’d expect that mentality to continue into the future bids. I imagine everyone going to 145CA in the future bids will all be displacements. Then of course when the next bid comes, they’ll all jump ship to the 175. Further backing up training.

if only this company could be proactive for once