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pitchattitude 02-22-2022 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3376917)
It has more to do with the guy in the office up there now. I don’t know for sure that he’s evil but it seems like it.

Yeah. Never had to deal with him, but I’ve heard he had quite the personality switch once he took the job. Must be the jet fume toxins in the office there.

Cujo665 02-22-2022 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3376917)
It has more to do with the guy in the office up there now. I don’t know for sure that he’s evil but it seems like it.

point being they don’t follow their own progressive discipline process, nor do they correct managers running amuck trying to make a name for themselves.
nothings changed

NoValueAviator 02-25-2022 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3377173)
point being they don’t follow their own progressive discipline process, nor do they correct managers running amuck trying to make a name for themselves.
nothings changed

You're not wrong and i don't disagree with you.

the fact is that pretty much everyone beyond the street level people at Envoy are hopelessly incompetent, viscious and evil, or both. the only reason this place has made it this far without reforming this extremely toxic culture is because a lot of us here are naive team players that say "well, I'm the captain so I have to take responsibility for X, Y, and Z" even though there are people (probably a lot of people) who are supposed to be doing that, and who aren't. when you consistently cover for people like this they end up getting into places they most certainly don't belong, JE in CS comes to mind. doesn't have the disposition or the intellect to run a rural starbucks and yet she exerts capricious, hostile control over not only our schedules but even our bid packets

it's literally crazy existing in this system having come from another industry where minimally competent management is the norm. this organization runs more like a poorly performing government agency than any business I've ever seen

duck of death 02-25-2022 11:10 AM

Uh so apparently we are down to 1600 pilots? Been nice knowing y’all.

NoValueAviator 02-25-2022 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by duck of death (Post 3379047)
Uh so apparently we are down to 1600 pilots? Been nice knowing y’all.

maybe if we get sold to mesa we can join the Aviate flow to United

buddies8 02-25-2022 12:20 PM

Why United is hiring more envoy pilots than flow to aa and united aviate program

pitchattitude 02-25-2022 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by duck of death (Post 3379047)
Uh so apparently we are down to 1600 pilots? Been nice knowing y’all.

Uhh???????

mej3811 02-25-2022 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by duck of death (Post 3379047)
Uh so apparently we are down to 1600 pilots? Been nice knowing y’all.

The last union email with staffing info on 2/16 says over 2200 pilots on property, so I’m not sure what you’re smoking.

ClappedOut145 02-25-2022 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by duck of death (Post 3379047)
Uh so apparently we are down to 1600 pilots? Been nice knowing y’all.

Should be around 2160. Fun fact, when genius Ric decided to furlough we were at 2365. This thing is a bleeder for sure.

duck of death 02-25-2022 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3379155)
Should be around 2160. Fun fact, when genius Ric decided to furlough we were at 2365. This thing is a bleeder for sure.


Heh my bad I meant 1800 but even that’s off. Thanks for correcting


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