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Old 04-18-2022 | 04:32 PM
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Run the numbers and make your choice.
you are no better off at aa than delta when your a new hire. Plus there contract if I'm not wrong is way better than aa's.
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Old 04-18-2022 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JonSnow
Hey fellas,
I need your input.
6 months to flow and got a CJO from Delta.
I live in Chicago, can relocate to one of the Delta bases in a couple of years, but I don’t really want to.
Accepted the retention bonus.
Should I stay or should I go?
Is this a serious question?


Do you have the vaguest idea what the interest rate will be on a company rated B- when they have to refinance $46 billion in debt? Even before the Fed started pumping up interest rates AA was paying up to 12% to borrow money. And AApaid $1.8 Billion last year for just interest on their debt - when they had a lot less debt than they do now:




What do you suppose they are going to be paying next year? And the year after?

Now compare their net income - even before the pandemic - to their current debt interest.



So what does THAT tell you?
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Old 04-18-2022 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JonSnow
Hey fellas,
I need your input.
6 months to flow and got a CJO from Delta.
I live in Chicago, can relocate to one of the Delta bases in a couple of years, but I don’t really want to.
Accepted the retention bonus.
Should I stay or should I go?
Paying back the money is no longer a “big deal” since the tax situation as far as I know was resolved. Now you pay back whatever you actually got. I would not hang around, you got a winning ticket, go cash it in.
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Old 04-19-2022 | 09:22 AM
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AA 787 FO here, Living in base and not commuting is HUGE...stay and keep applying to UAL or be a widebody FO in 2 years at AA...totally different part of the airline. That being said, if you want to move to another Delta city....go to Delta.
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Old 04-19-2022 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by safeflight
AA 787 FO here, Living in base and not commuting is HUGE...stay and keep applying to UAL or be a widebody FO in 2 years at AA...totally different part of the airline. That being said, if you want to move to another Delta city....go to Delta.
I've been here 3 years at AA... Where can I hold widebody fo?

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Old 04-19-2022 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by safeflight
AA 787 FO here, Living in base and not commuting is HUGE...stay and keep applying to UAL or be a widebody FO in 2 years at AA...totally different part of the airline. That being said, if you want to move to another Delta city....go to Delta.
You're at AA as a 787 FO and your first (and only) post is to tell someone to stay at Envoy and not take a CJO to Delta??

I think cr700 just created another account because no one believes what he says.
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Old 04-19-2022 | 06:56 PM
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Delta seems to be the better company if all else is equal and you fit in w/ their fd culture.
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Old 04-19-2022 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Delta seems to be the better company if all else is equal and you fit in w/ their fd culture.
I jumpseated once on AA, where the CA was an America West guy, and FO was a CLT US Air guy with an earlier DOH than the CA.
I'd take Delta culture over that "culture" all day long.
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Old 04-19-2022 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
I've been here 3 years at AA... Where can I hold widebody fo?

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At United Airlines.
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Old 04-19-2022 | 07:35 PM
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So how is each airlines fd culture compare? My only personal experiences are from the AA jump and its mostly been pretty alright. Hows Delta and United?
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