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Old 06-14-2022 | 10:26 AM
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Meanwhile at APA:

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It doesn't matter if regional pilots make more than us, as long as the way is clear for OTS hires. We, not the company, are responsible for staffing the airline
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Old 06-14-2022 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by R0GER BALL
“Near CA” OO FO here. may I ask:
1. New hire wait for health insurance?
2. Training pay?
3. Likelihood getting E-175 ORD? As CA.

Thanks. Congrats on the pay package…. It makes sense for me to upgrade Envoy vs OO. Or go the NK/F9 route.
there is no reason a OO captain under 5 years shouldn't be looking at Envoy, as a direct entry CA.!! If there doing that thing.. double the pay, and flow back up..
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Old 06-14-2022 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
there is no reason a OO captain under 5 years shouldn't be looking at Envoy, as a direct entry CA.!! If there doing that thing.. double the pay, and flow back up..
AA W/O’s would be nuts to hire any OO, YX, or Mesa pilots. That is just robbing pilots from current “Eagle” airplanes. These folks are going to come from Endeavor & Aviate Regionals
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Old 06-14-2022 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
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It doesn't matter if regional pilots make more than us, as long as the way is clear for OTS hires. We, not the company, are responsible for staffing the airline

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Keep their own regional lift going and hire from outside to deplete other carriers' lift. Win - Win for AA.

This is probably the only industry I can think of where the employees who represent the brand day to day are not the clear favorite to be promoted. Just business I guess but very odd.

They will literally do anything to not issue a seniority number which would solve the problem over night.
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Old 06-14-2022 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by planejoe
Keep their own regional lift going and hire from outside to deplete other carriers' lift. Win - Win for AA.

This is probably the only industry I can think of where the employees who represent the brand day to day are not the clear favorite to be promoted. Just business I guess but very odd.

They will literally do anything to not issue a seniority number which would solve the problem over night.
First off there is no way the majors’ unions would go for that and that kind of deal would be a contract changer that would be no going back from.

This is a relatively short term problem. In t8 months or so things will look much different. AA recognizes the need to hang on to the regional model but the temporary nature of much of this increase is because they don’t want to destroy the model and do anything permanent to change it.
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Old 06-14-2022 | 02:49 PM
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What are the conditions for the new bonuses? Time commitment wise? Concurrent or Consecutive?
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Old 06-14-2022 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by In Exile
What are the conditions for the new bonuses? Time commitment wise? Concurrent or Consecutive?
Specifically what? There are bonuses for new hires and bonuses for captains. Do you have the qualifying time to become captain? Right now Envoy still isn’t at the point they are hiring DECs. I believe all the bonuses incur a 24 month commitment.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
AA W/O’s would be nuts to hire any OO, YX, or Mesa pilots. That is just robbing pilots from current “Eagle” airplanes. These folks are going to come from Endeavor & Aviate Regionals
It would be beneficial to the AA network if the WO poached pilots from oo yx or Mesa. These regional pilots operate Eagle and DAL/UA regional planes. To take a pilot flying 30-50% for Eagle to 100% would not be “nuts”.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LivinMyBestLife
It would be beneficial to the AA network if the WO poached pilots from oo yx or Mesa. These regional pilots operate Eagle and DAL/UA regional planes. To take a pilot flying 30-50% for Eagle to 100% would not be “nuts”.
Not saying you’re wrong but YX is jointly owned by American, Delta, and United. They are in a strange situation. If American grenades YX they are actually hurting themselves.
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Old 06-15-2022 | 03:33 PM
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Or it screws delta and United more.
no one matters to aag, envoy is the prime example so yx, who cares. It's doggy eat doggy time.
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