New Pay Rates and Flow to AA
06-13-2022 | 12:45 PM
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Question from an AA pilot. So the new pay rates look like a desperate attempt by management to slow the exodus of Envoy pilots to UAL/DAL/FedEx/etc. I'm curious if these new pay rates change your mind about bailing from the AA system? Are you more motivated to stay put and wait for the flow now? I know if I was in the Eagle system I would just use this as an opportunity to save more money before heading off to United or Fedex. But I'm curious what the Envoy pilot group thinks? Thanks.
06-13-2022 | 04:45 PM
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Absolutely agree. ULCC will get there new contacts, and for most people gtfo will still be the mindset at the regionals. I think we’ll see hesitation from some though. Should just make it easier for those who want to leave to get hired (less competition) and put pressure on ULCC to up their contracts
06-13-2022 | 05:14 PM
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Stay or go ultimately depends on everyone’s individual situation. As a 5+ yr check airman with a year or more to flow you’d be insane to go almost anywhere, possibly including mainline. 400k doing guarantee is not typical even for boomer widebody captains.
06-13-2022 | 11:06 PM
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Travel benefits are the same, except being able to reserve a JS. A bunch of the same overnights. Honestly, if they made the 20yr pay and the 50% premium a permanent thing, you’d have to be at AA for I believe 5-6 years before you get above the $213/hr. I bet a lot of older guys would choose to stay and become lca. Especially if they only had/wanted to fly another ten years. Yeah you’d make more money at AA in the long run, but you’d have to work weekends, holidays etc. being senior does have some benefits. Also get us that 15% 401k.
06-14-2022 | 05:41 AM
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06-14-2022 | 07:46 AM
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“Near CA” OO FO here. may I ask:
1. New hire wait for health insurance?
2. Training pay?
3. Likelihood getting E-175 ORD? As CA.
Thanks. Congrats on the pay package…. It makes sense for me to upgrade Envoy vs OO. Or go the NK/F9 route.
1. New hire wait for health insurance?
2. Training pay?
3. Likelihood getting E-175 ORD? As CA.
Thanks. Congrats on the pay package…. It makes sense for me to upgrade Envoy vs OO. Or go the NK/F9 route.
06-14-2022 | 08:59 AM
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A lot of the banker bux we're supposed to get are based on 5+ years on property for the 20 yr. pay which wouldn't be available to a direct entry captain. I expect OO will match the pay (really just a 10% raise over Endeavor basically, once you pare away all the special carve outs and bonuses that only some pilots can take advantage of) in their own time, they've never been one to allow a big win at a unionized carrier to go unanswered for long.
06-14-2022 | 09:50 AM
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Covid delayed it two years, but we told them back in 2013-2016 that this day was on the horizon.
next comes mergers & consolidations
then bankruptcies and buyouts to grab not just equipment and routes, but staffing.
next comes mergers & consolidations
then bankruptcies and buyouts to grab not just equipment and routes, but staffing.
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