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buddies8 02-20-2023 11:43 AM

Should have known after the first 2 words in that statement that it was b.s.

highfarfast 02-20-2023 03:03 PM

Didn't need to the know the "golf" thing to know it was bogus. Companies are going to choose the path of least resistance to obtain their goals. If they wanted to bring regional airplane in house, they'd just do it and hire the pilots to fill those seats. Would be a hell of a lot easier than the negotiations that would be needed to merge/staple seniority lists.

cr700 02-21-2023 12:14 PM

The original poster isn't far off. This is something that's been on the table for a long time. With the pay rate increases that have happened in the last year, this issue has been driven to the front burner. I can confirm that it is being discussed at high levels and the burning question is exactly how to absorb Envoy and bring the pilots over onto the current AA contract. Being that AA is in negotiations with the pilots now is somewhat of a plus as it's something that has been broached as to how to incorporate this into the proposed TA. With everything that I'm hearing, I would expect further traction as negotiations continue.

highfarfast 02-21-2023 03:03 PM

For anyone new to the Envoy forum, the last post is from the resident Envoy management stooge, who I believe is not even here anymore. Expect posts that paint a rosy picture and rumors that will never come true from him.

pitchattitude 02-21-2023 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3595739)
The original poster isn't far off. This is something that's been on the table for a long time. With the pay rate increases that have happened in the last year, this issue has been driven to the front burner. I can confirm that it is being discussed at high levels and the burning question is exactly how to absorb Envoy and bring the pilots over onto the current AA contract. Being that AA is in negotiations with the pilots now is somewhat of a plus as it's something that has been broached as to how to incorporate this into the proposed TA. With everything that I'm hearing, I would expect further traction as negotiations continue.


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3373328)
Just announced yesterday. Envoy picking up 3 additional 175's to add to the fleet. I can tell you that they are looking at a larger additional order as well. Hopefully details out soon.

Wait, what? That post is a year old. Where’s that order of new 175s for Envoy? That coming with the AA seniority numbers? Just give up and go back to your corner in momma’s basement with your Microsoft Flight Sim.

dera 02-22-2023 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3595739)
The original poster isn't far off. This is something that's been on the table for a long time. With the pay rate increases that have happened in the last year, this issue has been driven to the front burner. I can confirm that it is being discussed at high levels and the burning question is exactly how to absorb Envoy and bring the pilots over onto the current AA contract. Being that AA is in negotiations with the pilots now is somewhat of a plus as it's something that has been broached as to how to incorporate this into the proposed TA. With everything that I'm hearing, I would expect further traction as negotiations continue.

You're full of sh*t, as always.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would have seen the list that was created a few years ago. Have you seen it?

bababouey 02-22-2023 11:18 AM

Why do all of you obsess over this? You already get to flow over in a few years no matter how fat and stupid you are. Group 1 rates are a big pay cut for your new rates anyhow.

pitchattitude 02-22-2023 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 3596313)
Why do all of you obsess over this? You already get to flow over in a few years no matter how fat and stupid you are. Group 1 rates are a big pay cut for your new rates anyhow.

Those rates are not permanent. And with the “wonderful flow”, AA has greatly reduced hiring from within the WOs.

An actual AA seniority list number would be worth more to many. That being said, I’m not one to believe it will ever happen, which is why I was quick to refute lackeys like CR700.

Beech Dude 02-22-2023 02:15 PM

My Magic 8 Ball says PDT will be gone in less than 5 yrs. PSA merges into Envoy. The 145s get sold to JetSuiteX et. al. One WO to mainline, Endeavor to DAL style.

highfarfast 02-22-2023 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3596446)
My Magic 8 Ball says PDT will be gone in less than 5 yrs. PSA merges into Envoy. The 145s get sold to JetSuiteX et. al. One WO to mainline, Endeavor to DAL style.

Nah, whipsaw works better when you have more than one WO. If the regional model survives, there'll be more than one WO.


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