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My friend play golf with Envoy president and has been friend with him for long time. Last week he met him and the latest news is new payrates are hurting the company and AA looking to combine Envoy and AA to one list of pilots. He said AA wants everything under one umbrella so they can control payrates for 175.

I would think they would do the same for PSA and Piedmont. My crystal ball says this will happen with Endeavor and (sort of already has) with Horizon. Other regionals will go belly up or combine. Only a handful of free standing regionals will remain. I have been predicting this for several years, even when I was called crazy and it was impossible.

The only problem with your theory is that AA already closely controls the pay rates and bonus structure for their 3 wholly-owneds. Same old same old mantra "United / Delta / American are going to merge in the regional partner and the seniority list." We were talking about this same topic in 2008. Playing golf with a friend and having a few adult beverages may lead one to make opinionated comments but it's not happening. Not with Endeavor. Or Envoy. Or PSA. Or Piedmont. Regional airlines serve a financial purpose for the major airline partners and it won't change anytime soon. Please review my comment in 5 years and call me out if I'm wrong.

Wait. I heard this rumor back in 1998 too.

Can't believe the absurdity of anyone STILL buying this BS. As former Eagle mid 2000s to mid 2010's, I heard this crap on the first day of indoc. "Everybody will be at AA in 5 years." Then I heard it over and over and over for my entire stint there. Depending on where you live, age and your QOL goals, AA might not even be the first choice for many out there. AAs work rules aren't known to be the best and if you're STILL waiting on a pay raise in this environment then management truly has their head stuck really far up their own backsides. I'm sure you'll have some 1500 hour CFIs who just started at Envoy who go all Goo Goo Gaa Gaa over these types of BS rumors but it's not happening. Things change, the AA of today has lost a lot of their former luster. Alongside Southwest, who I tried valiantly to get hired on at during a large part of my Eagle days. Never could get the time of day from them until I moved on to the LCC world and upgraded. Then I was offered an interview but declined. Southwest of today is nothing like the Southwest of 10 years ago. Same with AA.

Heard same rumors at XJT at least once a year from early 2000’s til they shut the doors.

Ya know, if AA did indeed want to bring regional airplanes in house, it would be a lot simpler to transfer the airplanes to AA, close the WOs, and hire to fill those seats than it ever would be to merge or staple seniority lists.

The whole problem with bringing the pilots to the mainline is it not just the pay rates of the pilots that has to be considered. It’s the ENTIRE cost of the pilot contract. Even though AA contract total compensation lags United and Delta, even with the new pay rates, total compensation (retirement, healthcare, etc) at the regional level is below that of mainline. You also have to consider the total compensation for flight attendants and expense of the hotels that are provided on the regional level verses mainline for both pilots and FAs. Let’s not forget mechanics, and dispatchers.

As long as keeping flying out of mainline can save a penny, it will remain to be so.

Lol I thought that big announcement on February 1st was gonna be that. One list. Well they are gonna have to figure out something soon! We are all leaving for Delta & United in droves. That premium pay extension ain’t helping our attrition issues I can say that.

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Nice try troll, but the President of Envoy does not play golf !!