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highfarfast 03-16-2023 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3608576)
While those are MORE 175s, they are NOT new. Certainly not a new order. They key is in the wording. AAG ASSIGNING six more 175s to Envoy. If lucky, they were the last six purchased that were yanked during Covid that Republic got. With the 145s going away, still a net loss of aircraft, but at least a step in the right direction.

Don’t forget the LAX base opening. Well, PHX anyway. 120 pilots. Starting small with 12 lines in both May and June.

You just had to say LAX, didn't you?

Ravenwing 03-16-2023 10:03 AM

I feel like I am hearing bits of a long standing argument and don’t know the whole story! I think there is bitterness because LAX has been talked about before and never materialized, and still might not if SkyWest manages to pull itself together. I love to hear the back plans and strategies as a lowly DEC trainee who lives on the west coast.

highfarfast 03-16-2023 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3608642)
I feel like I am hearing bits of a long standing argument and don’t know the whole story! I think there is bitterness because LAX has been talked about before and never materialized, and still might not if SkyWest manages to pull itself together. I love to hear the back plans and strategies as a lowly DEC trainee who lives on the west coast.

An LAX base rumor has been around at least as long as 2016 (prob longer but I wasn't following before that). Seems to come from management (or at least a 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon to management) and many of us believe it's intent is for recruiting purposes and to string along guys like you who might go elsewhere but might stay here if you thought LAX was around the corner. COVID cooled the rumor a bit and PHX killed it. But then 'ole pitch had to mention it and then the guy from management jumped right in to perpetuate and reinvigorate the rumor. lol

cr700 03-16-2023 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3608642)
I feel like I am hearing bits of a long standing argument and don’t know the whole story! I think there is bitterness because LAX has been talked about before and never materialized, and still might not if SkyWest manages to pull itself together. I love to hear the back plans and strategies as a lowly DEC trainee who lives on the west coast.

Regardless of what Skywest does, the long term plan is for Envoy to do all of the LAX flying. PHX has now put the delay on that for some time. Expect PHX to grow quite a bit in the coming year. This time next year I could see 2 to 2.5 times the current pilot staff there. Transitioning our pilots from 145 to 175 is putting the brakes on PHX growing like gangbusters right now.

pitchattitude 03-16-2023 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3608627)
You just had to say LAX, didn't you?

Gotta troll THE troll.

Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 3608678)
Regardless of what Skywest does, the long term plan is for Envoy to do all of the LAX flying. PHX has now put the delay on that for some time. Expect PHX to grow quite a bit in the coming year. This time next year I could see 2 to 2.5 times the current pilot staff there. Transitioning our pilots from 145 to 175 is putting the brakes on PHX growing like gangbusters right now.

This just shows how much you try and distort things to fit your narrative. RW’s same email that talked about the ADDITIONAL 175s. (But not new. One article even said AAG is quiet about the source. Probably an agreement with FFD carrier they are coming from to save face.) The 145s will only have a few lines in May, as will PHX. But you can’t drag out the 145s going away for several more years as an excuse for not having the mythical LAX base. The last 145 pilots will be transitioned by late this summer.

You think I “accidentally” typed LAX and THEN left it and typed PHX. Just feeding the troll. You’re a sad, SAD, individual.

I might also point out that management keeps talking about it‘s “commitment” to west coast crews, in part, as a reason for the PHX base opening. Commitment has nothing to do with it. There was certainly no consideration to east coast crews when NY closed as a base. It’s just business.

CaseTractor 03-16-2023 04:56 PM

So is everyone thinking the 175s are coming from Skywest LAX base?

pitchattitude 03-16-2023 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3608819)
So is everyone thinking the 175s are coming from Skywest LAX base?

No. The general consensus is Republic.

Ravenwing 03-16-2023 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by CaseTractor (Post 3608819)
So is everyone thinking the 175s are coming from Skywest LAX base?

Looking at the www.planespotters.net website, SkyWest has 4 E175s parked, Republic has 13 E175s parked, and Mesa has 22 E175s parked. I don’t know who owns any of these planes. Mesa’s E175s are in United colors and United probably wants Mesa to eventually only operate E175s for them unless Mesa is really desperate. Republic makes the most sense.

buddies8 03-16-2023 06:59 PM

Republic are semi there's, the first 50 that fly for aag starting with 400yx are technically aag's and if republic can't crew them then envoy will.

pitchattitude 03-16-2023 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3608843)
Looking at the www.planespotters.net website, SkyWest has 4 E175s parked, Republic has 13 E175s parked, and Mesa has 22 E175s parked. I don’t know who owns any of these planes. Mesa’s E175s are in United colors and United probably wants Mesa to eventually only operate E175s for them unless Mesa is really desperate. Republic makes the most sense.

I honestly believe the same thing about Mesa and fairly certain the 175s are owned by United. I think Mesa saying they will keep DFW and PHX bases is just a smoke screen and stop gap to keep everyone from bolting. Operationally those two don’t work for United flying. They just need time to get their CRJ pilots trained (or replaced).


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