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PilotCrusader 06-08-2015 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1898864)
You just summarized the reason a new hire would avoid envoy if flow was on their mind. They will never see it. Like I said earlier today, its a great deal for pilots on the property, but a bad deal for new hires. I'll rest my case on the matter, you basically summarized it.

But they would be better off at PSA with a 20 year flow, but with your logic as to why Eagle flow won't work, I guess I could throw that back at PSAs SSP and say the same thing. After all, if we can't hire, you can't hire.

eaglefly 06-08-2015 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1898854)
Why not? You see no problem pontificating about an airline you don't work for?
He made a crystal ball statement, he got a crystal ball answer. Are you this obtuse in real life or just here behind you anonymous name?

Obtuse ?

You're too funny........not. I'm sure you'll be a hoot when you get here (provided you make it through training). I worked there for a quarter century while you were still washing police cars and just because I left doesn't mean I can't call B.S. when I see it. You're on this forum for one reason now mason and that's for peddling dreams to the gullible and have become so intoxicated on yourself and your multiple personas, you are now "projecting" what you'll do to others once you get to AA.

I can't wait to see your jumpseat decisions once you get here and I'm sure the captains you might fly with will be just as amused. That IS what you said you'd do, yes ?

......or were you just being obtuse ?

eaglefly 06-08-2015 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1898855)
Ha! I own you eaglefly!

No, I'm not mommy's refrigerator. ;)

PilotJ3 06-08-2015 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1898867)
But they would be better off at PSA with a 20 year flow, but with your logic as to why Eagle flow won't work, I guess I could throw that back at PSAs SSP and say the same thing. After all, if we can't hire, you can't hire.

Exactly...

Don't go to Envoy, go to PSA...you won't upgrade unless you have 1,000 p121 and neither won't flow!

m78fl370 06-08-2015 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1898868)
Obtuse ?

You're too funny........not. I'm sure you'll be a hoot when you get here (provided you make it through training). I worked there for a quarter century while you were still washing police cars and just because I left doesn't mean I can't call B.S. when I see it. You're on this forum for one reason now mason and that's for peddling dreams to the gullible and have become so intoxicated on yourself and your multiple personas, you are now "projecting" what you'll do to others once you get to AA.

I can't wait to see your jumpseat decisions once you get here and I'm sure the captains you might fly with will be just as amused. That IS what you said you'd do, yes ?

......or were you just being obtuse ?

Look man, I've been reading your crap for years on this forum, and under your other screen names on the other forums. You can be pretty entertaining, and hilarious at times. But lately, you're actually starting to embarrass yourself with all the obsession with Eagle. Hours and hours of posting and thousands of posts running down envoy, predicting bad things for envoy, and trying to discourage anyone from working here. If I were you, I'd just relax and enjoy your life at AA. You seem proud to work there, and that's good. Sure, pop in here now and again and entertain us with some of your funny metaphors and humorous ramblings, but for God sakes, take it down a notch.

Why does it bother you so much to let the envoy guys have some optimism or hope that things might be improving? What's wrong with Cujo talking up the future here? The guys at the other regionals do it. I used to disagree with you a lot, but respected your opinions as a long time eagle pilot. Now it's just getting sad.

450knotOffice 06-08-2015 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by m78fl370 (Post 1898899)
Look man, I've been reading your crap for years on this forum, and under your other screen names on the other forums. You can be pretty entertaining, and hilarious at times. But lately, you're actually starting to embarrass yourself with all the obsession with Eagle. Hours and hours of posting and thousands of posts running down envoy, predicting bad things for envoy, and trying to discourage anyone from working here. If I were you, I'd just relax and enjoy your life at AA. You seem proud to work there, and that's good. Sure, pop in here now and again and entertain us with some of your funny metaphors and humorous ramblings, but for God sakes, take it down a notch.

Why does it bother you so much to let the envoy guys have some optimism or hope that things might be improving? What's wrong with Cujo talking up the future here? The guys at the other regionals do it. I used to disagree with you a lot, but respected your opinions as a long time eagle pilot. Now it's just getting sad.

THIS! You nailed it. I'm honestly sick of it. Always right. Always has to get the last word in. Always witty (which became boring a long time ago). I honestly don't think I've ever read a post in which he actually wrote something positive about anything related to AE/AA.

Bpflyerone 06-08-2015 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by PilotCrusader (Post 1898801)
Not even AA can ignore a court arbitrated ruling.


I may be wrong here, but didn't the yes voters get rid of the arbitrator ruling for contractual flow?


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PilotCrusader 06-08-2015 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by Bpflyerone (Post 1898916)
I may be wrong here, but didn't the yes voters get rid of the arbitrator ruling for contractual flow?


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Nope

(Filler)

Shiner 06-08-2015 11:03 PM

Lost in all the back and forth nonsense was the fact that Envoy will be bringing 5 airplanes out of the desert. I'd say given the staffing situation that a lot of the non wholly owned regionals are in, this is a trend that will probably continue. We have pilots and we have airplanes.

We may have been slated for lots of stagnation and shrinkage, but now that we've signed a deal AAG is turning this place around. It's happening a lot quicker than any of the most optimistic among us had thought.

The fact that a lot of this flying is going to be in Critical Coverage at 200% will help a lot of guys that have weathered the storm here.


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snippercr 06-09-2015 06:33 AM

So I go away for 2 weeks and RJ Pilot, FirstClass, and the rest have all dropped "Good Luck!"?

Awww, it was cute when you guys did it together. We're just done with "Good Luck!" then? It's like "Phrasing" being done...


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