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Old 05-02-2014, 09:44 AM
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Sky Talk: With American parking regional aircraft, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots

With American parking regional aircraft, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots

American Airlines Group has told Envoy Air's pilots union it plans to park 59 small regional jets and transfer 47 larger regional jets away from its subsidiary carrier.

As a result, Envoy will need 47 percent fewer pilots than it has today, the Air Line Pilots Association said in a note to pilots on Thursday.

The news comes about a month after the pilots voted down a proposed contract that would have given Envoy Air larger aircraft to fly in exchange for a pay scale freeze until 2018 and other concessions.

ALPA-MEC chairman Bill Sprague said the company intends to park 59 Embraer 140s and transfer 47 CRJ-700s to another third-party regional carrier to operate under the American Eagle brand.

"Currently the future looks very bleak," Sprague said, adding that the carrier won't have any aircraft to replace the ones they are losing and anticipate that a displacement bid for pilots will be available shortly.

Last week on American Airlines Group's earning call, president Scott Kirby confirmed that the airline is in final negotiations with a couple of regional carriers to fly new, larger Embraer 175 aircraft and will announce at some point who will fly them using the American Eagle brand.

It will not be Envoy Air, the regional subsidiary owned by American that used to be called American Eagle, Kirby said, reiterating that "Envoy is still an important part of the airline."
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already being discussed ad nauseam on the 'envoys future' thread.
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The 2014 shortage problem has been solved. Larger equipment, mergers and downsizing just might take care of future "shortage" issues.
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And yet Eagle/Envoy is moving forward with their plans to relocate Eagle/Envoy headquarters to Irving, TX. Why would AA management continue with the expense and effort of moving 600 Eagle/Envoy operations employees to DFW, (separate from AA operations), if they intended to let Envoy to simply "wither on the vine"?
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AAG must be fighting hard to get a cheap price for the feed because the deal would have been done by now. they have been negotiating this as plan b for 4 months. My summation is that the other feeders have AAG in a corner and want more money to save there a zz from anymore embarrassment from these scum regional pilots at EAGLE/envoy.

Only place where they can do as they please is at PDT and PSA. Wisconsin is a wild card in this game.
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What pilot shortage? Hahaha...
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Originally Posted by Slick111 View Post
Why would AA management continue with the expense and effort of moving 600 Eagle/Envoy operations employees to DFW,

...USair is taking over our current space and management needs to keep eagle operation running a bit longer!!! Besides, they don't know what to do with that $480 million PROFIT made in the first quarter but blow it off!!!
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AAG must be fighting hard to get a cheap price for the feed because the deal would have been done by now. they have been negotiating this as plan b for 4 months. My summation is that the other feeders have AAG in a corner and want more money to save there a zz from anymore embarrassment from these scum regional pilots at EAGLE/envoy.

Only place where they can do as they please is at PDT and PSA. Wisconsin is a wild card in this game.

My understanding is that the deals are worked out. 20 will go to a carrier who can start the flying beginning of 2015 and the other 20 will go to another carrier that can start the flying later that year. They will announce soon. SkyWest is sitting on an announcement for additional AA flying and should be out sometime in the next two weeks. Not sure if its for the 175, but its additional flying nonetheless.

Also, Envoy is not just flying its also a large and growing ground handling business. They still need to house those operations and administrative functions. Just because the flying will disappear, doesn't mean the low wage ground handling jobs will.
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Just a typical play by management from the old union busting playbook.

First, the carrot - Shiny new jets...that did not work

Second, the stick - You will all lose your jobs / not make Captain / not hold the base you want to hold...seems like it might be working based on the responses I am reading on here

Next - Expect management to put out another concessionary deal to your union while the majority of your pilot group vote in the cuts because they are motivated by a false sense of fear

Enjoy your upcoming pay cut while you will begin flying better revenue generating aircraft for American.
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My understanding is that the deals are worked out. 20 will go to a carrier who can start the flying beginning of 2015 and the other 20 will go to another carrier that can start the flying later that year. They will announce soon. SkyWest is sitting on an announcement for additional AA flying and should be out sometime in the next two weeks. Not sure if its for the 175, but its additional flying nonetheless.

Also, Envoy is not just flying its also a large and growing ground handling business. They still need to house those operations and administrative functions. Just because the flying will disappear, doesn't mean the low wage ground handling jobs will.
if I am not wrong, 80 percent of this growing ground handling is due to envoy. granted they will put envoy ground handling in all feed contractors contract, but it is not a growing business. just reshuffling, ask the DCA people how the ground handling growth is going for them, they all got pink slips.
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