Article: Envoy needs 47% fewer pilots
05-02-2014, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville
Just a typical play by management from the old union busting playbook.
First, the carrot - Shiny new jets...that did not work
Second, the stick - You will all lose your jobs / not make Captain / not hold the base you want to hold...seems like it might be working based on the responses I am reading on here
Next - Expect management to put out another concessionary deal to your union while the majority of your pilot group vote in the cuts because they are motivated by a false sense of fear
Enjoy your upcoming pay cut while you will begin flying better revenue generating aircraft for American.
First, the carrot - Shiny new jets...that did not work
Second, the stick - You will all lose your jobs / not make Captain / not hold the base you want to hold...seems like it might be working based on the responses I am reading on here
Next - Expect management to put out another concessionary deal to your union while the majority of your pilot group vote in the cuts because they are motivated by a false sense of fear
Enjoy your upcoming pay cut while you will begin flying better revenue generating aircraft for American.
In rejecting our TA with such a wide margin, we said to our inept management that we would rather sit back and watch this company die than subsidize its existence with our pay check.
Everyone knows that Eagle is the best and cheapest option for them in placing their stupid 175's. Parker and pals really are just a bunch of juvenile idiots.
05-02-2014, 10:58 AM
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This doesn't mean management WILL do this. It's simply what they said they'd do. They have a long standing history of not doing what they say.
Edit: this is good that the media is picking up on it. Hopefully it'll force management to respond.
Edit: this is good that the media is picking up on it. Hopefully it'll force management to respond.
05-02-2014, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
if I am not wrong, 80 percent of this growing ground handling is due to envoy. granted they will put envoy ground handling in all feed contractors contract, but it is not a growing business. just reshuffling, ask the DCA people how the ground handling growth is going for them, they all got pink slips.
Actually it is. Envoy is the preferred ground handler for United outstations. Both express and mainline.
05-02-2014, 11:16 AM
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let see, UCAL prefers Envoy/AAG service than UCAL service on ground. basically supporting AAG bottom line. You all don't see something fishy in all this. UCAL can start a ground service separate from the airlines and contract all its ground cheaper just like aag does with prospect and C2.
05-02-2014, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
let see, UCAL prefers Envoy/AAG service than UCAL service on ground. basically supporting AAG bottom line. You all don't see something fishy in all this. UCAL can start a ground service separate from the airlines and contract all its ground cheaper just like aag does with prospect and C2.
UA doesn't care, they just wan't whats cheapest and right now its Envoy ground handling. If they thought they could run a handling company cheaper they would have done it already.
05-02-2014, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
AAG must be fighting hard to get a cheap price for the feed because the deal would have been done by now. they have been negotiating this as plan b for 4 months. My summation is that the other feeders have AAG in a corner and want more money to save there a zz from anymore embarrassment from these scum regional pilots at EAGLE
Yes, Eagle and XJT pilots may have inadvertently given Rev. Bedford, Mr. Adkins, and others a nice bump in their bonus checks. How ironic.
05-02-2014, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
The majority of Eagle pilots are ready willing and able to shut this joke of an operation down.
Most talk tough and then fold when it comes down to the final vote.
05-02-2014, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
I have heard that before at other carriers.
Most talk tough and then fold when it comes down to the final vote.
Most talk tough and then fold when it comes down to the final vote.
I am assuming you meant people will cave at the demands.
AE has said no to the B scale, no to the AIP and no to the TA! What happens next is not information that you and I are entitled to so I don't think we should be comenting on how a pilot group would react and vote. Let it play out and see how it does, we need to stop negociating against ourselves.
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