Why? It's still just an airplane. What you fly, at any company, should be your least concern compared to everything else

Personal preference. I dont want to go through ground school 5 times and collect 5 type ratings. There is a shift to the 175 by republic mesa and skywest. Republic ordered more i know they already have those airframes. That and not commuting are my biggest concerns.

Are you planning on hopping between regionals? Or do you just care about flying a 175? That is NOT a troll question - it is an honest question. I used to think that SJS was just a myth - but I have talked with many former students and flight instructors and they say they just want to go to a carrier that flies 175s - regardless of work rules and pay. I know a 3rd year FO, girlfriend out of college and he STILL lives in his parents basement but doesnt care "The 175 is a sweet airplanes." Again - not a troll question, a legitimate one. If you answered yes to wanting to fly a 175 ask yourself "Why do I care about which airplane I fly?"

So you say you dont want to go through ground training 5 times - first of all, you are going to go through ground training MANY times in your career - what is a few extra? What makes you think you will HAVE to go through 5 times? If you get hired at a non-175 carrier now who eventually will get 175s (current paradigm shift), you will get trained on your initial equipment then possibly the 175. Thats twice. Not 5 times.

I am happy to see not commuting is a primary issue for you, as well it should be. I question the importance of avoiding ground school as the same as not commuting.

I think there is a shift into the 175 as the new regional airframe. I don't want to start on a crj200 if its going be based in kingman. I know they aren't going away tomorrow but if the airframes that are being flown on the regional level are 175's then that is what i am interested in. As far as hopping between regionals i am not sure if i will have a choice on that one. The worst one today could be the best one tomorrow. If i had a choice i would go to compass as i think they will be around for a while especially with the flowthrough to delta. But at the same time if i have no choice but to bounce between regionals if i end up being furlough fodder i suppose thats the price im willing to pay for wanting to become an airline pilot. As far s the work rules go that is going to take some research. I want the 175 because i want to be on one airframe for my entire career. I believe sjs is based on pilots that think the airplane would be cool to fly or because it has engines under the wings? I dont quite understand that mindset. I am not referring to going through proficiency checks. I am referring to going through initial as little as possible. If that is something i cant avoid then i will take other airframes into serious consideriation. If it is something i can avoid i am sticking with the 175. As far as commuting goes. I am young and single with no responsibilities so when they ask if can live in beautiful downtown detroit the answer is yes. Thats why i dont understand someone who says oh look i have options to commute but i am young and single and can live anywhere. Or maybe they think they cant because of friends in their home town. i dont get it.

Having been through two initials in the last twelve months they're not exactly rocket surgery. In both instances so long as you were willing to put in the work to study you're going to pass.

Regarding the 175 vs the CRJ, it's true, the 200s (and 145s) will be undergoing a long draw down over the next couple of years. The 700/900 will be with us for a while though. And Bombardier still has an order backlog for them, although certainly not as long as the backlog for the 175.

I can kinda see where you're coming from, but others are accurate in saying that there are others things that should be way more important in your decision making.

Get some seniority....Holding out for a 175 because of a possible extra training cycle is not a smart move. I'm not sure where you got the idea that training is terrible anyway. Sure your very first 121 indoc/ etc. may be stressful but if you've been flying the line for a year and go in to learn a new airplane it would be a totally different experience.

This is especially true if you are willing to move around a bit at the beginning of your career.

There is no problem with having a preference but to not start your seniority clock because you'd be on a CRJ instead of a 175 is setting yourself backwards before you even start.

Good luck.

Again, let's say you get hired by a carrier flying -200s or 145s. As they get parked, you eventually have to move over to their 175*. So you have to go through ONE extra initial training. Again, unless you plan on staying a 175 driver for life (not sure your situation) you will be going through MULTIPLE initials, what is one extra?

Everyone has their reasons for picking their respective airline and if not going through initial more than once is yours, so be it. I am just cautioning that you may be boxing yourself in by using such a arbitrary criteria.

* - assumes that just about every jet carrier out there currently has or will be flying 175s at some point since indeed, they appear to be the future. Yes, Envoy currently does NOT have any 175s but even the strongest no-voter usually agrees they will be here at some point.

Compass flow will not apply to you

I agree about commuting although I have always done it.

Ground school is something you'll have to get used to. I've had 9 in the 18 years I been flying professionally. I have been on my current airplane for 4 years next month. That is the longest span yet. The shortest time on an aitframe was 6 weeks.

Heard you guys are getting another vacancy bid to come out.

We'll see - vacancy bids are like ghost ships around here.

An expected result of drawing down and shrinkage IS staffing related and cannot help but destroy scheduling. They really are in a bind and this mess is in full chain reaction.

Have you heard about "denial mode"??? Look for it on the PBS training.

It's being working great because not everybody is doing the trials. I'm in the 40s in MIA and I get 3days in PBS. I know people more senior than me that are not doing the trials. So at the end I will finish with worse schedules and less days off.

I do the trials so JR people gets to see a little bit more reality.

PBS sucks, the company wants it, it's not good for us. USAir don't line te software because doesn't give them more control, so I would say VOTE no on Pbs, that's Tony propaganda and will bite us.

I rather have a Paycut but able to keep bidding lines, because at the end either way you will lose money and QOL.

What is rocket surgery

The opposite of brain science ? :rolleyes:

Wouldn't be surprised to see a displacement bid shortly. With the 140s retiring at a quicker pace now that summer is over there is going to be some reshuffling.

[QUOTE=snippercr;1689180]Again, let's say you get hired by a carrier flying -200s or 145s. As they get parked, you eventually have to move over to their 175*. So you have to go through ONE extra initial training. Again, unless you plan on staying a 175 driver for life (not sure your situation) you will be going through MULTIPLE initials, what is one extra?

I plan on staying a 175 driver for life.

Eventually it will if i stick around long enough. The flow will move up at some point.

No displacements are currently planned.

The flow only applies to people hired up to some time in 2010, new hires receive a preferential interview at Delta.

I know but that will change. Once they flow up pilots after 2010 will get flow rights wont they?

Doubt that delta is going to be bending over backwards to take on more pilots who've been flying AA feed.

If I had to guess all wholly owneds will have some sort of flow in the future, since compass is not wholly owned by Delta I doubt they will receive an extension to their flow agreement. Anything is possible, I just don't think it's likely.

Oh i wasn't aware of that. I would agree with you its unlikely then. How do you find out if an airline is wholly owned or not.

Clarence is smart for looking into a company with a viable airframe.
Starting over at another regional if the grounding of the fleet without the prospect of another fleet is just not worth the pain. So - yes go with one that has economically justifiable aircraft

Envoy Peidmont and PSA are the AA wholly owned carriers.

Endeavor is now the Delta wholly owned.

United does not own any regional carriers

You will be voting on the LOA not the software. There is nothing contractual against changing vendors.

No. If you go to compass now you get an interview at delta...no flow....

What about later?

No. Not going to happen.

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I received the pre-offer from Envoy yesterday. I was told they'd call me Friday after the captain's board meeting to find out if I'll receive the official offer. Is this anything to sweat? I only have about 120 instrument and my 6 month proficiency window just passed so I'm a little concerned they won't like that.

No don't sweat it. We need pilots, if you've made it this far I would be very very surprised if they changed anything. Welcome to the envoy club - here's hoping things improve during your time here! For the most part all of the pilots are great to work with and the job from brake release until the flight deck door opens again is enjoyable. Our mgmt is, unfortunately, aggressive and inept (to put it lightly) , so morale is pretty low.

With envoy's huge headquarters( 3 buildings), I think once dougie and company are done squeezing the regionals for money, all 3 will be combined. A la what the profit said. Psa and pdt will fold into envoy and be headquartered in our complex in irving.

One big happy family.

One big dysfunctional family is more like it.

Anyone know why the NYC pub event was cancelled?

I was just called by the recruiter for a 2 part interview. Anybody have any info on that? Thanks

Thanks! Everyone I met was really nice and welcoming. I know another FO who is happy there. I'm excited to start.

Not going to happen. Delta doesn't like it, nor does DALPA.

They don't like being told who to hire. Once this ends, they'll go back to having their pick of the litter.

The NY pub event was intended to be a picketing session. Signs were made, the necessary permits were obtained and they were ready to go. It was canceled because the company is being just agreeable enough that the NY reps thought it unwise to ruffle their feathers.