You mean like in my previous post where I said its a little pre mature right now and we don't know what they're gonna come up with? I'm not sure we're over reacting.. Just simple discussion.

It's the lurking oracle....

So informal that the NYC LEC chairman wrote this...

Contract Update
We have been informed that we should know this week if the company and union will be able to begin the formal process of crafting a pathway forward for Envoy and AAG. In the meantime, with each passing day the dynamics of the regional industry change that much more in our favor.

In NY, we will have either a Meet-N-Greet like the other bases; or we'll have an alternate type of unity event which will draw support from others in the industry. This should also provide an opportunity for media coverage of an event that will be favorable to our cause.

Just over a year ago the company felt the need to demand additional concessions to match Delta feed costs. Based upon publicly available data we were able to determine the cost variance between Envoy and Delta's regional airline - Endeavor - was only about $3 per hour in total pilot related costs. In spite of the relatively minor cost differences, AAG used that opportunity to demand massive concessions during a period of record breaking profits. Since then, the industry has gone through another period of dynamic change. Recently AAGleaders stated that the FFD industry has changed yet again. I congratulate AAG and their leadership team for recognizing the rapidly evolving changes in the FFD marketplace. I now challenge them to react accordingly and make Envoy the leading AA feed provider and pilot recruitment center.

They know how to do that; it's very simple. Give us the planes, and create a more definitive path from college classrooms to AA classrooms. Increase FO compensation, protect senior CA'swho wish to retire, and give the rest of us a certain level of job security while we await being hired at a legacy or flowing to AA. We have a strong pilot group ready willing and able to help AAG make Envoy the leading regional airline in the world. That will take investment on their part in providing us the tools to do the job more efficiently (new airplanes); and commitment on their part to ensuring our pilots are provided a clear unobstructed pathway to a mainline career, while protecting those who wish to finish their career here.

The truth is that for most of us, they could not raise the compensation enough to keep people here when national and legacies are offering jobs. They can, however, make it attractive enough that the few pilots that are entering the Part 121 world and/or are coming up through the system won't even consider working anywhere other then Envoy.

In closing, it can not be cheaper to send the flying back to AA mainline instead of giving us a decent contract; yet that is precisely what our parent company (and all major brands) are now doing. In this new FFD industry; the question is no longer who can do the flying the cheapest; it's who can do the flying at all. That comes with a price tag. The first management team to realize this and act accordingly, wins. And we all want to be winners!

Fraternally,

RI
NY LEC121 Chairman

Yup, Ms. Nancey Mason it is. ;)

Exactly what I was thinking.

I am thinking mason32/nancey is R.I from our union!

Wrong union.

totally agree, well written except for the implication that a mainline taking flying back in house from a regional is anything but great

You know who he is? I am saying envoy rep from ny.

Not him...

Anyone have updates from the talks today? I'm guessing the union will put out a blast in a month or so.

AAG 2nd Quarter Financial Results
 

From Dougie: "Today we announced second quarter 2014 financial results of $1.5 billion in net profits (excluding special charges). This is the best financial performance for any quarter in the long and proud history of American Airlines. These record results are due to the great work of our 100,000 team members who blah, blah, blah,...."
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Any wonder why AAG didn't want to put a new (concessionary) offer in front of the envoy pilot group in July/August?

Barring a severe economic downturn, it's going to continue to be hard for AAG to extract concessions from envoy, going forward. That's a good problem to have,.....for BOTH sides.

News flash: hard lines suck without rigs as well. Just look at our trips since 117 implementation. To say that only PBS sucks without rigs in comparison to hard lines is ignoring our current reality. Just my 2¢.

Let me plays devils advocate for a moment. Consider that the company has reduced upgrades because we don't have enough FOs and can't get enough new ones through the door. PBS reduces head count, as you stated, which in turn creates breathing room for the company's abhorrent staffing situation. It is possible that PBS will increase upgrades for some length of time.

No comment, but not a rabid dog and again, wrong union.

You're wrong. That's ridiculous.

If you guys think i am so wrong, then please enlighten us.

Cujo already has... multiple times. He's not a liar. You made the statement, the burden of proof lies with you.

Then you would be wrong.

The silence is deafening, as usual.

My info was dispelled by cujo aka R.I himself, who has proven to be nothing but honest.
My conclusion was based on my info and my source. I wasn't given a name, just came to my conclusion based on what i had, and thought that i was 99% correct. I do know he (mason32) isn't management. He is involved in a union position.

Chill man! The Reps have barely even had a chance to look it all over yet.

I'm not asking for details, I think the union should at least have notified the pilots whether or not there was a proposal at all.

The useful Envoy thread
 

I'm usually one of the, "let the union boys do their thing" crowd, but with the announcement of yet another record breaking quarter, an announcement of some good news better come soon. If it doesn't we are blowing another perfectly good opportunity to drum up support for our cause. Informational picketing needs to be done and we need to strike while the iron is hot.


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Everyone's getting their panties in a bunch. They've already said what they are going to do.

Get the information.

See if a way forward can be put together out of that information.

Start putting an agreement together.

They're barely past step one, chill out everyone.

Heard the proposal was technically a B scale for new hires for only 20 planes.

Hope no one got their hopes up.

Have an envoyable day.

I highly doubt the union would even be talking with these guys if the opener was "20 airplanes"...Source or no source that sounds like total BS to me.

But he heard it from a friend. It must be true.

This could be seen coming miles away. There will be no B scale, proof of that statement rests here
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-regional.html

Alot of you got pretty p*ssy about it too, but let's see what happens. I hope none of you had your hopes up too high. I hope there is more to their offering.

With the FAA "re-examining" the ATP rule, that's going to play into it too. It'll be much easier for them to outsource more flying when they drop the 1500 hr requirement. Which you know they will.

Screw them and all the spineless.
The families and coalition of the colgan incident should sue the FAA.

proof rests on a poll on an internet forum....got it

Won't dropping the 1500 hour rule take an act of Congress? They're not going to reverse something they just passed.

20 airplanes is a Bullsht rumor.

Better be closer to 120.

No, that won't do it. Congress left the hour number in the hands of the FAA.

Ray says the 20 plane for b-scale rumor is not true.

Where did you hear this? Did you talk to him?

Ray said so himself on talk airline. He didn't go into any other details though.

Just another unfounded rumor started by the King of them.. Wiz

The devil's in the details. I wonder what choices of awful or worse are going to be offered this time.