If we haven't heard anything yet there either wasn't a proposal or it wasn't good, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Why would the union broadcast this offer all over the web and allow people here to debate publicly how low they are willing to go? Doesn't really help our cause now, does it?

Once again... Chill!

No but telling your pilots whether or not there was or was not a proposal harms no one and precludes pointless speculation. No one expects details. The silence tells me there is nothing going on.

The silence tells everybody else the exact opposite.

RAH is coming to MIA. Confirmed.

That's really not surprising, every base will have multiple carriers.

We'll make sure to give them a warm welcome too...

Well according to cujo on EL a proposal was made, it was what they expected it to be for an opener, and glass the ass is indeed involved.

Satiated?

Are you kidding me? Call your reps. The NY reps have come our and said things are being discussed and that they are negotiating. There is absolutely something going on. Whether it turns into something that makes it to the pilot group is another matter.

Since regional pay is already c-scale, wouldn't that make this d-scale?

This is just stupid. Remember we aren't fighting the pilot group (unless it is PSA) we are fighting management.

Fellow Envoy Pilots:

Yesterday, we met with company executives to receive a presentation of their ideas and solutions on how to achieve the structure they desire while providing a compensation model that respects the product we provide as professionals. We are working to reconcile their ideas with the expectations and direction that you have provided through your LEC representatives. Once that process is complete, the MEC will meet and decide on a response. We will post the details of our status once the MEC has chosen the path forward.

Fly Safe,

Bill Sprague
MEC Chairman

More vague bull crap! We need a real union.

Also confirmed that Mesa is moving their CLT operation to DFW. More bright news for envoy.

I couldnt be happier with the people we have in place now. More support from national would always be great but there is little we can do with that.

Who's ready for round 2?


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Did you mean, round 4??

Actually round five, one no maybe with tony, two no's from MEC and one no vote from pilots. Same proposal round five from management in twelve months. Take a hike dougy.

I too like our guys, but their hands are tied because of national, that is the problem. We need a new union besides alpa.

If rumors are true, I can't wait to vote

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Holy Sh*t if that doesn't have C scale written between the lines I don't know what does. Back to the drawing board.

There is no way this goes to a vote unless the union assures the company it will be ratified. The company will not deal with the embarrassment of another rejected AIP.

You need a union other than ALPA only if you believe

A.) Regional Airlines should exist
B.) You should be able to make a career at a regional

If you disagree with either of these, then yes a union other than ALPA should be desired.

Hey guys. As you may remember my previous posts, I received the pre-offer on Monday and I was told they would call me Friday (yesterday) after the Captain's Board meeting. But I didn't receive a call. Should I be worried? Or did someone in HR just not call me because it was a Friday afternoon?

I wouldn't worry about it. My guess is they didn't meet like they usually do because of the job fair in Dallas Friday.

I waited over two weeks after my interview before I got the call. I wouldnt be worried.

They will call you one way or the other, don't read into it at all. Good luck.

Maybe they're doing you a favor and saving you from the bad decision of coming here.

Don't be a jerk.

Gracias. I'm was hoping to hear before Wednesday so I know whether or not to go ahead with other interviews. I'd rather not take 2 days off work and pay for a hotel if it's not necessary. I guess we'll see.

I'm pretty certain you got the job! It's very rare that the captains review board turns someone down after they've already had a successful interview... Unless they find something out about you afterwards which wasn't disclosed.

I'm not being a jerk, I'm being honest. Coming here is a mistake and I don't think anyone can rationally refute that with the current information available.

It is obvious he wants to come here. He is worried about getting hired. Maybe this once you could have withheld your bitterness about Envoy. From my standpoint, you were being a jerk. Not everyone hates Envoy, and that does make those people ill inform or doltish.

It has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with a bad career decision. I don't have any emotional attachment to the company whatsoever, it's a business relationship and business is bad.

Sweet. My friend who is an FO also said they're short on captains and probably didn't have time to meet.

As far as the naysayers... every company has people who hate working there. Other instructors I have worked with at my current job hated working here, meanwhile I'm very happy. The way I look at Envoy is, I'll get to fly a jet, hopefully live in base or have a short commute, build experience, and enjoy a $10,000 signing bonus. Sounds good to me.

1. If you have a pulse you can "get to fly a jet" at any regional in this country.

2. I don't know where you live but if it isn't MIA then I can recommend a better regional to work for without a commute.

3. That 10,000 signing bonus won't mean squat when you're a 7 year FO and if you had made a better career choice you'd have been a CA somewhere else after 3 years.

Good luck to you, if you're coming to this steaming pile you'll need it.

As you can tell BZZT hates his life and hates his job! He says he hates flying so you can see where his attitude comes from! Despite the uncertainty and negative talk envoy isn't a bad place to work we have a decent contract and reserve system that allows you to bid everyday for open sequences or different RAP times... granted they go in seniority order but as you move up the reserve list you'll be able to control your schedule a lot more! I can hold a line but purposely bid reserve to get weekends off and it's been working out quite well. This month I've been away from home a total of 6 nights and have been home everyday! Of course, this is only possible if you live in base. Good luck and welcome aboard!

Lol, he's got you there. You are going to be an FO for 9 years at Envoy.

How can new hires expect to become 7 year f/o's? Statistically speaking the conveyer belt has to run faster than that to keep up with staffing at the majors. IMO the last period of stagnation is over. Am I missing something?

That's what I'm thinking. Unless the interviewers flat out lied, they're losing more people than they're replacing. Seems to me like some FO's are gonna upgraded.