I can only confirm Gouge on willflyforfood is correct and accurate up to approximately 1.5 years ago but the mypilotcareer gouge is outdated. The recruiters at the hiring events are pushing hard. And even going through the process, Envoy is still only selecting 50% or so from each interview pool. From the flight training rank and file there is a lot of fear about the industry in general right now.

I am thankful that I didn't just judge my opinion on whether to select Envoy based on the boards, luckily I had a few local FOs (Miami Based) give me their opinion. And yes I know very well about the fuzziness of what may or may not happen. I have a few months to call back to confirm a ground school date (personal commitments first). Until then I'll hold my offer letter tightly and keep my ears to the ground.

 

Anybody who voted no and wasn't prepared for, at minimum, fleet reductions or at worst, airline shutdown needs a reality check and to hold themselves responsible for their vote.

That said, those of us that were prepared for the consequences are surprised and dismayed at the lousy schedules that should have nothing to do with the no vote, and the insulting repeated grabs for more concessions by the company while offering us no real gains. I stress "real", because I mean it in the sense that nothing offered was concrete. It was all risk.

The repeated attempts by the company are always the same.

Let's work together.

We want to be a team.

You're valuable.

We can build something we both can work with.

Now give us all your money and here's a lottery ticket. Maybe it's a winner, but statistically and historically, you're gonna get screwed.

 

This really shouldn't be any surprise though. Expertly talking the talk, but failing to walk the walk has been their M.O. there for decades. Retaliating against you for refusing to capitulate isn't a surprise either. I think they'll continue to tighten the screws until they think you're collectively ready to cry uncle. Think of it like a cat batting around a mouse until it tires. Once exhausted, the mouse gives in.

 

Ya gotta think that Parker is wearing the Envoy pilot group down with these continuous delays. He awarded the first 20 new jets to Compass and that bought him A LOT of time to allow the (larger and more important) Envoy pilot group to reconsider/regret in their vote.

The more anxious Envoy pilots act, the less he's gonna offer them in the next round. So control yourselves and CALM THE HELL DOWN!!!!

 

Mod note:

I have deleted several posts that are inappropriate, flamebaitish and don't pass my sniff test. You know if that was your post or not. Next time I see something like that, I will delete the post and ban the poster.

Remember, you can always start your own website. Or just go away.

 

Probably a better idea than just unilaterally closing a thread. Also glad you were able to make a moderation with out complaining about your job (as a mod) or juvenile insults.

Exactly, the 20 to compass bought them a lot of time. 20 airplanes starting delivery next year gives them a while. Dont forget, RAH still has another 15 or so to come online as well. I am not expecting anything anytime soon... and I am okay with that. For once I have stopped bringing this job home with me to the dinner table, on walks or other conversation.

As has been brought up though, that gives time for the current union leadership to move on. Some people blame them for that (RJ Pilot). Not sure how that makes sense. But what we need now is to make sure we keep the people with the "right stuff" coming in.

 

Smart man...and the smartest "envoy" post in a long while.

Tip of the hat to you!

 

Pass the word, patriotic ties on all envoy pilots by aug 1

 

I am going insane wondering if 175's will every show up on property at dfw and i havnt even started my career yet! I can't imagine how envoy pilots feel. Is there no way to know when management will give a definitive answer or keep stringing you guys along?

 

There is no way to know. It's very annoying but par for the course.