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07-22-2014, 08:20 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
Anybody who voted no and wasn't prepared for, at minimum, fleet reductions or at worst, airline shutdown needs a reality check and to hold themselves responsible for their vote.
That said, those of us that were prepared for the consequences are surprised and dismayed at the lousy schedules that should have nothing to do with the no vote, and the insulting repeated grabs for more concessions by the company while offering us no real gains. I stress "real", because I mean it in the sense that nothing offered was concrete. It was all risk.
The repeated attempts by the company are always the same.
Let's work together.
We want to be a team.
You're valuable.
We can build something we both can work with.
Now give us all your money and here's a lottery ticket. Maybe it's a winner, but statistically and historically, you're gonna get screwed.
That said, those of us that were prepared for the consequences are surprised and dismayed at the lousy schedules that should have nothing to do with the no vote, and the insulting repeated grabs for more concessions by the company while offering us no real gains. I stress "real", because I mean it in the sense that nothing offered was concrete. It was all risk.
The repeated attempts by the company are always the same.
Let's work together.
We want to be a team.
You're valuable.
We can build something we both can work with.
Now give us all your money and here's a lottery ticket. Maybe it's a winner, but statistically and historically, you're gonna get screwed.
An expected result of drawing down and shrinkage IS staffing related and cannot help but destroy scheduling. They really are in a bind and this mess is in full chain reaction.
07-22-2014, 08:25 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by samballs
1. Training, vacation, etc are put on your schedule before bidding.
2. No open time = no trading
3. For every action you you input there is a reaction, say no in pbs and it declares nuclear war on you.
4. No open time = less reserves, less reserves = more JMS and extensions
5. It will and does stray from your bid
6. Vacation months can have close to min days off.
7. That should be enough to convince a no vote
2. No open time = no trading
3. For every action you you input there is a reaction, say no in pbs and it declares nuclear war on you.
4. No open time = less reserves, less reserves = more JMS and extensions
5. It will and does stray from your bid
6. Vacation months can have close to min days off.
7. That should be enough to convince a no vote
It's being working great because not everybody is doing the trials. I'm in the 40s in MIA and I get 3days in PBS. I know people more senior than me that are not doing the trials. So at the end I will finish with worse schedules and less days off.
I do the trials so JR people gets to see a little bit more reality.
PBS sucks, the company wants it, it's not good for us. USAir don't line te software because doesn't give them more control, so I would say VOTE no on Pbs, that's Tony propaganda and will bite us.
I rather have a Paycut but able to keep bidding lines, because at the end either way you will lose money and QOL.
07-22-2014, 09:30 AM
#56
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Originally Posted by nanceystyles
Heard you guys are getting another vacancy bid to come out.
07-22-2014, 12:24 PM
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[QUOTE=snippercr;1689180]Again, let's say you get hired by a carrier flying -200s or 145s. As they get parked, you eventually have to move over to their 175*. So you have to go through ONE extra initial training. Again, unless you plan on staying a 175 driver for life (not sure your situation) you will be going through MULTIPLE initials, what is one extra?
I plan on staying a 175 driver for life.
I plan on staying a 175 driver for life.
07-22-2014, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bzzt
Wouldn't be surprised to see a displacement bid shortly. With the 140s retiring at a quicker pace now that summer is over there is going to be some reshuffling.
07-22-2014, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
Eventually it will if i stick around long enough. The flow will move up at some point.
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