Are you naive enough to believe that leaking fictitious info about another employee did not make you vulnerable to an "HR hammerfall" yourself? While earning your handy dandy business degree which you clearly never used, did you not learn the meaning of the phrase "defamation of character?" Who could have hanged you high for that lapse of judgement of yours? Oh yea... It's the same guy that you're assuming the worst about now!

You're still operating on the assumption that he is guilty despite a lack of evidence. You're still making the same mistake you made last time. The entirety of my post still stands true...

 

Nope, you are making assumptions about me and not the other way around.

Go check my post history here and on EL...I was one of the first to say Ray was innocent until proven guilty. A few weeks ago I was also one of the loudest critics of the Ray is Mason theory.

I did, however contact a few union officials who sent information back pretty much confirming that Ray went behind their backs and fed info to Pedro.

I personally don't know if any of that is true. All I know is that Ray flew to SAF with Pedro in the jump seat recently. Apparently that flight and it's NS is being gathered as "evidence" by the union. For what..I have no idea. But that is the extent of the information that I and many others have.You act as if I'm the one who has been feeding Pedro information. Save your ammunition for the real mole. If it's not Ray, then we will find out who it is. Whoever it is needs to resign, period. And this is the last I want to speak about this until "official" communications are released.

 

JT8D calling names again and insulting someone, belittling their educational achievements and calling their degree "gay". You must have done awful large callouses on your knuckles pal.

I highly doubt you've talked to executives who advised you one way or the other about your petty contract dispute either, get real.

 

I will vouch for JT8D. He has spoken to people at the helm of multibillion $ corporations.

 

You have 5 posts on this website, you can't vouch for anyone

I think its precious of you though, like watching a toddler take his first steps.

 

I figure you can give this one post just as much credence as that a s s that dropped off that BS post a few days back. I'm not going to engage in any discussions about sources and facts any more than the pitchfork brigade here has.

I'd like to make one thing abundantly clear: You've all been played.

This is straight up the work of Glass & Co. Those of you that jumped on the lynch mob bandwagon should be ashamed of yourselves. You've helped play right into Glass's hands, you've allowed your personal vendettas to assist him in dismantling what little unity we have. Shame on you and your petty selves.

Glass IS ON THIS FORUM. If not him, some of management's minions. They are on EL, TA, and FB as well. They read everything, they copy everything useful, they are and will be using it against us as to what we will take in a contract. All you concession-types are helping sink the ship. Right now Glass & Co. are happier than a fat kid with a box of Boston Cream Pie Dunkin' Donuts all to himself, they've successfully created a lot of discord amongst the pilot group and have us falling apart.

What happened? People here have already put it together, except it's being drowned out by the noise of the peanut gallery. Was there an act of sabotage? NO. Was there a deliberate misdeed by a certain individual? NO. Did someone go behind the union's back and try to back door everyone? NO. There have been no secrets as to what a particular member has done, everyone here has seen and read posts he made as to what has been going on, unfortunately those well meaning actions have been twisted and warped into something never intended by people here and by Glass & Co. They want to get rid of the thorn in their side, and you're going to help them.

So what's the reality of the situation? The company walked away. Why did they walk away? They knew what we would accept as a minimum, and that wasn't on the table. Here's the undeniable fact of the matter: The company doesn't want too meet those minimums. They KNEW THE MINIMUM and couldn't be bothered to even meet that! They want to offer less. Even our minimum is too much. So, while you're out there tearing each other apart, just know that Glass is watching. And laughing his a s s off. And waiting for you to do his work for him. It's already happening. Listen to the people starting to say how great the AIP was. Listen to the people willing to take less for a little smoke blown up their a s s, for more company "promises" that won't be delivered on. Maybe those folks can get an LOU inserted allowing them a choice of petroleum jellies for when all of us get bent over.

So that's it. The company knew and walked because, no matter what, in the end our price was too high and they wanted CONCESSIONS. They are using the opportunity to bust up the unity, both inside the union and among the pilots. But, if you disagree, feel free to call up your rep or the company. Tell them how you were misled and how you really didn't want to vote no. Tell them you really, really want the AIP.

Otherwise, hold the line.

 

Somebody gets it. IMHO.

 

Throwaway says it all correctly. Those who don't understand this simply will never understand and will always be on the side of management via their fear and being spineless.

 

After re-watching Confessions of a Union Buster, I can believe what throwaway has said 100%.

 

First of all, you'd be hard-pressed to convince me that what they offered would have actually made a significant difference in how fast we get to AA. We have 20/month minimum right now for the next 600 or so pilots, with an arbitrator's award stating that they need to make the effort to bring it back towards 50% overall. If we are losing airplanes there is no reason for them to continue metering, and therefore we should be getting 30/month or close to it anyway through the rest of the 824. After that, considering the additional attrition that we have due to our unstable situation, what they offered would probably make a difference of a few months to a year to guys that are near the bottom of the pre-2011 hires that are guaranteed an eventual no-interview position. FOs junior to that have little to lose by going elsewhere for a quicker upgrade. I don't personally think that it's worth freezing in poor wages and pay caps for a decade to make these "gains."
It doesn't make sense to accuse "no" voters of unrealistic optimism when, as everyone should know, this industry could take a nose-dive tomorrow, AA could stop hiring, and we'd all be stuck where we are, except with pay caps and no real raises for the next 10 years. Events that may seem unlikely can still turn that contract into very real concessions.
There is absolutely, 100% no way that this company would have re-opened an LAX base. The thing you are right about is that they aim to operate based on numbers and financial incentives. We could have signed that contract and we still would not have been any cheaper than other operators in LAX. Why would they go through the trouble of re-establishing a base, in direct contradiction to their general business plan of shrinking Envoy's share of regional feed to be more in proportion with other operators in the portfolio? A consistent theme in the shareholder meetings and analyst quotes for the past decade was how American Eagle was the "underperforming" regional unit with costs that were out of line and dismal performance numbers. In reality, this wasn't the fault of the pilots, it was due to inept management, age 65, and the last disastrous flow/flowback arrangement. Executives don't care about that and never will--their solution from day 1 was to shrink us and contract out to cheaper operators. Even signing the AIP would have left us significantly smaller than we used to be. They didn't come to us before they closed LAX and gave flying to Skywest and Republic because contracts and concessions are irrelevant to their larger business philosophy, which is that no single airline should be providing 95% of feed.