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08-11-2014 | 11:04 AM
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08-11-2014 | 11:07 AM
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No man, if things go right or wrong, we will never make it to AA. Flow is just a pilot retention tool. Ask how did it work for the guys flowing right now.
Ok then, let's sign inn for PBS also. You will have less chance for a commutable line. You should had took a loan and go to Compass. If you lost 20 hrs TTOT, that means you can't sustain your family in CA by your own. While I'm basically the provider for my family.
Don't worry about my retirement. I'm doing all the correct steps towards it. Still have 38 more years before I can go and I will not make the JR guys go into a B scale.
We are the ones that have to make a change. This is the time for a change! I rather be in this situation now, than leave it to the guys coming behind us. I would not like to be in this situation if I have to pay more than 15k in a ATP. Let's make it worth, let's top whining, complaining and let's make this industry better. AA posted record profits! We are not the ones that have to keep giving them money.
The only way to move forward is get yourself out there and try to go somewhere else. That's what I'm doing and hope it will pay off. If I ever get hired somewhere, I will never come back into a AAG airline.
Listen to me, USAirways management will finish this company. They are converting it into a LCC. It's not a legacy anymore and I don't want to be part of if.
Ok then, let's sign inn for PBS also. You will have less chance for a commutable line. You should had took a loan and go to Compass. If you lost 20 hrs TTOT, that means you can't sustain your family in CA by your own. While I'm basically the provider for my family.
Don't worry about my retirement. I'm doing all the correct steps towards it. Still have 38 more years before I can go and I will not make the JR guys go into a B scale.
We are the ones that have to make a change. This is the time for a change! I rather be in this situation now, than leave it to the guys coming behind us. I would not like to be in this situation if I have to pay more than 15k in a ATP. Let's make it worth, let's top whining, complaining and let's make this industry better. AA posted record profits! We are not the ones that have to keep giving them money.
The only way to move forward is get yourself out there and try to go somewhere else. That's what I'm doing and hope it will pay off. If I ever get hired somewhere, I will never come back into a AAG airline.
Listen to me, USAirways management will finish this company. They are converting it into a LCC. It's not a legacy anymore and I don't want to be part of if.
I'm absolutely voting no on PBS, there is no gain there, only loss. I voted no to the bk deal as well, the only reason I voted yes to the AIP is because the trade off worked well for me.
I do agree with you about AAG, APA and the other unions made a big mistake selling that merger to the creditors.
08-11-2014 | 11:12 AM
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Eagle was going to be spun down regardless of the vote outcome. I'm surprised more don't see it. The small EMBs were going away. I used to commute on Eagle almost exclusively, met a lot of CAs that weren't going to flow because they just had 5-10 years left. You can't make them change their minds, but it's doubtful the company will even be around in its present form in 5-10 years. I still think Eagle will continue operating but it's going to be a fraction of its former self, those CAs might even become F/Os with forced downgrades.
At the regional level you have to play the game. It's cost based almost exclusively. Eagle didn't have a prayer being so top loaded. If you're not in the flow and won't flow for another couple years I would've punched out and gone to Compass with the 12 month upgrades. You're not showing anyone in management anything by hanging around working as a lifer F/O. In fact you are playing right into their hands.
The #1 objective of a regional pilot should be to GTFO. There are going to be lifers at all airlines, but don't be one of them.
At the regional level you have to play the game. It's cost based almost exclusively. Eagle didn't have a prayer being so top loaded. If you're not in the flow and won't flow for another couple years I would've punched out and gone to Compass with the 12 month upgrades. You're not showing anyone in management anything by hanging around working as a lifer F/O. In fact you are playing right into their hands.
The #1 objective of a regional pilot should be to GTFO. There are going to be lifers at all airlines, but don't be one of them.
08-11-2014 | 11:16 AM
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No man, if things go right or wrong, we will never make it to AA. Flow is just a pilot retention tool. Ask how did it work for the guys flowing right now.
Ok then, let's sign inn for PBS also. You will have less chance for a commutable line. You should had took a loan and go to Compass. If you lost 20 hrs TTOT, that means you can't sustain your family in CA by your own. While I'm basically the provider for my family.
Don't worry about my retirement. I'm doing all the correct steps towards it. Still have 38 more years before I can go and I will not make the JR guys go into a B scale.
We are the ones that have to make a change. This is the time for a change! I rather be in this situation now, than leave it to the guys coming behind us. I would not like to be in this situation if I have to pay more than 15k in a ATP. Let's make it worth, let's top whining, complaining and let's make this industry better. AA posted record profits! We are not the ones that have to keep giving them money.
The only way to move forward is get yourself out there and try to go somewhere else. That's what I'm doing and hope it will pay off. If I ever get hired somewhere, I will never come back into a AAG airline.
Listen to me, USAirways management will finish this company. They are converting it into a LCC. It's not a legacy anymore and I don't want to be part of if.
Ok then, let's sign inn for PBS also. You will have less chance for a commutable line. You should had took a loan and go to Compass. If you lost 20 hrs TTOT, that means you can't sustain your family in CA by your own. While I'm basically the provider for my family.
Don't worry about my retirement. I'm doing all the correct steps towards it. Still have 38 more years before I can go and I will not make the JR guys go into a B scale.
We are the ones that have to make a change. This is the time for a change! I rather be in this situation now, than leave it to the guys coming behind us. I would not like to be in this situation if I have to pay more than 15k in a ATP. Let's make it worth, let's top whining, complaining and let's make this industry better. AA posted record profits! We are not the ones that have to keep giving them money.
The only way to move forward is get yourself out there and try to go somewhere else. That's what I'm doing and hope it will pay off. If I ever get hired somewhere, I will never come back into a AAG airline.
Listen to me, USAirways management will finish this company. They are converting it into a LCC. It's not a legacy anymore and I don't want to be part of if.
I'm absolutely voting no on PBS, there is no gain there, only loss. I voted no to the bk deal as well, the only reason I voted yes to the AIP is because the trade off worked well for me.
I do agree with you about AAG, APA and the other unions made a big mistake selling that merger to the creditors.
Another reason why we are in this point. Negotiations starts soon in their side, they can't look weak over a larger group of people.
Specially APA, they are some hard core players.
08-11-2014 | 11:43 AM
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Bzzt and embraer, your arguments are pointless as 70% of the Eagle pilots disagree with you, so why waste your time pushing your agenda?
Believe what you want, it's a free country. He'll, work for free for all I care. But don't expect many to follow your thought process. I've said it before... You are skilled labor in an ever shrinking supply working in a high demand industry, place some value on your skills.
And no, you are not mowing lawns in any analogy.
Believe what you want, it's a free country. He'll, work for free for all I care. But don't expect many to follow your thought process. I've said it before... You are skilled labor in an ever shrinking supply working in a high demand industry, place some value on your skills.
And no, you are not mowing lawns in any analogy.
08-11-2014 | 11:49 AM
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Bzzt and embraer, your arguments are pointless as 70% of the Eagle pilots disagree with you, so why waste your time pushing your agenda?
Believe what you want, it's a free country. He'll, work for free for all I care. But don't expect many to follow your thought process. I've said it before... You are skilled labor in an ever shrinking supply working in a high demand industry, place some value on your skills.
And no, you are not mowing lawns in any analogy.
Believe what you want, it's a free country. He'll, work for free for all I care. But don't expect many to follow your thought process. I've said it before... You are skilled labor in an ever shrinking supply working in a high demand industry, place some value on your skills.
And no, you are not mowing lawns in any analogy.
Name User: You're right, FOs should be leaving. I made a huge mistake not going to compass, but it's just another mistake in a long line of mistakes starting from learning to fly in the first place. In all fairness though I had to make my decision before the AIP was voted on and I did think it would pass, not sure what guys are hanging around for now.
08-11-2014 | 12:27 PM
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As expected you totally missed the point of that analogy. Change the job to whatever you like, plumber, mechanic, electrician, the point remains the same.
Name User: You're right, FOs should be leaving. I made a huge mistake not going to compass, but it's just another mistake in a long line of mistakes starting from learning to fly in the first place. In all fairness though I had to make my decision before the AIP was voted on and I did think it would pass, not sure what guys are hanging around for now.
Name User: You're right, FOs should be leaving. I made a huge mistake not going to compass, but it's just another mistake in a long line of mistakes starting from learning to fly in the first place. In all fairness though I had to make my decision before the AIP was voted on and I did think it would pass, not sure what guys are hanging around for now.
You can still salvage your career if you want IMO. Hey maybe even an email to Compass with a "I've had a change of heart", who knows, maybe you can be placed back in the pool. I think you are just wasting your time and energy complaining on here though.
08-11-2014 | 12:51 PM
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It would be shocking to find out anyone involved is mature enough to sort this out privately, but then if there was any level of maturity present in the involved parties it wouldn't have gotten to this point to begin with.
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