I doubt we will know very soon.

I really don't think anything will save MIA or NY at this point. Those wanting to capitulate to this new deal for that reason, should not.

That being said, I think it is time for us to be a bit more practical about all this. The company has proven they can move forward without us, at least so far. Now that Piece of Poop Airlines has gotten our CRJs, they are re invigorating their slowly failing recruitment attempts with our young FOs. Essentially they, along with the help of ALPA, are helping Chug-A-Doug reverse our seniority list.

I actually don't blame PDT as much: they fought the good fight for years against the likes of PSA, and lost. If you read through their contract, it is actually a great deal for them.

Now though, we are faced with closure, and a huge loss of career income and movement as many are forced to go work at the bottom of some other list. I just don't see how that helps the industry at all, or particularly our young FOs and CAs. If the company has come back to negotiate in good faith, let's see what we can get. We know they want 12/4 and some other ancillary cuts(per diem, 2 yr pay freeze, 10 yr term, health care hikes). What are they willing to give? I hear the 40 175s plus all options, plus $10k cash, plus more flow.

Is this better than being shut down and starting over somewhere else? Personally, I am barely over the line at this point, but one thing that does tantalize me is the notion that it would actually stop PSA from being able to staff as well, and would take up more spots a AA so they would have a harder time getting in from the street. Once we have been cheapened, they will go after that precious SAP mistake and PSA will bend over quickly, as they have proven they are good at, and give it up just to solidify their preferential hiring to be actual flows, like we already have. Let's face it, there is no way in hell they'll let them keep that mess up.

Yeah that kinda does it for me: let's stop PSA from getting our FOs and also be a new source of hiring with a better flow. That will leave the bottom of the barrel for PSA and slow their progress more than us dying on the sword they are reaping the benefits from.

(Yes I hate PSA still. 23 jump seats denied!!)

Hey, that's smart. Making your decisions based on your blind hatred. That'll work out well.

LOL.

So it's ok to "lower the bar" just to put it to PSA now? Way to justify what you now know is a sound business decision for yourself and the rest of the pilots at Eagle.

You were very, very vocal previously that "lowering the bar" was NOT ok under any circumstances.

Now it's acceptable because you have found out that what you were being told all along was true in that AAG was not bluffing with their "ComairII" threat?

What a joke.

Keep bidding trips to fly to PSA bases in order to deny jumpseats. If your life is that terrible that it gives you some sort of obscene pleasure you probably need all the help you can get.

I hope all your FOs come over to PSA and upgrade in a year and they displace JUST you to be an FO because your hypocritical and pathetic excuse for a human being leaves you no room to have full authority over any aircraft. Yes even a Cessna.

Oh and keep denying PSA pilots. When Miami closes and maybe when the 700s transfer to PSA, you're only burning the bridge for your fellow coworkers that will need a ride on the east coast. But judging from your posts, you probably don't care.

While I understand your logic I think your point is very subjective. Take a step back and look at what you've written. You are suggesting a "WHIPSAW". It will never stop if you capitulate. Keep denying the jumpseats if it helps you sleep, but hold your ground.

Haha you are such a toolbag: so scared that you are making stuff up. You put us in this situation. You are the one bragging about how many FOs of ours you have in your classes all of a sudden. You are the one who lowered the bar. If we sit here and hold our head high, which believe me I would rather do, our seniority list will simply be reversed into yours. How is that helping the industry out? It is helping PSA out apparently. It is better to help you fail this way if we cannot any other way. Because we have held out this long it is still not lpeering the bar as our offer is much better than yours. And in the end, our pilots make out better, yours not. Go run away to your little corner and wait for the company to ask you to bend over again. I am sure you gladly will.

I would be happy to hold my ground but as the PSA puke bragged on another thread, they have 40 some envoy FOs running to the bottom of their list because the ship is sinking over here. We are better off as a whole pilot group by keeping our own than letting them feed the fans of the likes of PSA. Again, holding our ground means all of us holding it, and that isn't happening. Quite the opposite is happening and Parker and PSA are the only ones that are benefiting right now.

Is that the scenic route of saying that you'll be selling out on the next vote. Good grounds for the excuses later on though. Keep at it! Wouldn't be as comical if you weren't such a tool in your previous posts about not giving a cent back.

Oooh did I hit a nerve there little guy? Hahaha. PSA vermin come out of the woodwork quick on this one. You guys don't want to go back to scraping out the bottom of the barrel for a 70% pass rate. Heaven forbid we stopped the reversing of a seniority list at your expense. You know damn well YOU are the whipsaw! You are taking off the bottom of every good standing carrier and don't deserve to be flying a model airplane, let alone a Cessna.