if envoy shuts down do the protected flows get to flow still? What if they were at spirit or virgin, do they still get to flow?

 

No; the LOAs, contract or any grievance awards are null and void. If you would like to verify that information call the Euless office and ask for the staff lawyers I'm sure they will tell you the truth. Their job is on the line too.

 

How much time until the 824's are called? 1-2yrs? Im sure the remainder of the 824 group are safe. The rest, Hmm not so.

 

The last act has not played out in the Envoy drama yet...There is still almost 2.5 years before the first 175 theoretically shows up at EN. Don't be surprised to see Envoy and AAG going back to the table and this time a deal WILL be crafted that the pilots WILL sign this time. The caveat, is this deal will be cheaper than the one the pilots rejected twice previously. AAG does not want to retain the ERJ-140/145 fleet, and I maintain they still want the remaining E-175s, plus any options on Envoys certificate. Isn't it obvious to those of you that can stop playing internet games that AAG wants TWO fleet-types and TWO certificates...ONLY. The end result is a streamlined, consolidated operation with cheaper labor. I have seen this "movie" before at "Pinnacolaba" where DAL very, very shrewdly manipulated our pilot groups into a "wham-bam" contract negotiation ( FIVE years PNCL Corp. had the pilots twisting in the wind with an amenable contract, and inside 6 weeks we had a TA with an integrated seniority list and a no-holds-barred open bidding process that created a ridiculous training bubble that cost MILLIONS ). The resulting bankruptcy through a debtor in possession process gave Delta equity, control and cheap lift with 81 CRJ-900s and got rid of the Colgan certificate to boot.
So, all of you at Envoy that are firing broadsides at STW on FB and other forums need to stop, think and re-evaluate exactly what the airline's strategic business goals are and how they will work to reach these goals.

 

Well said. But I think that train left several months ago. There won't be anything left to negotiate, and like you said, it will be worse.

 

I think that was the original plan, I don't think Envoy is a part of the business model going forward. In 2 years Envoy will be down to ~100 planes at most and 50-65% of the pilot group will be gone. We gambled and lost.

 

Where's mason when ya need some info?

 

the writing on the wall at eagle/envoy was seen when parker shi+ himself that we have two fms's on the plane instaed of one only. parker may ruin egale/envoy but he is still a proven DRUNK.

 

I'd love to make millions being a drunk too.

 

good point. just screw over your employees and it is not a problem.