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09-11-2014 | 08:04 AM
#231
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From: gear slinger
Nope. Not true at all. Quite a few regionals, as desperate as they all are, will not lower their standards and subject their passengers to increased risk because they hired a tool. Envoy is one of them. Skywest has been picky as well, and they need pilots pretty bad.
Just because there is a shortage of pilots doesn't make it okay to hire anyone with a pulse, ala PSA and Mesa.
Just because there is a shortage of pilots doesn't make it okay to hire anyone with a pulse, ala PSA and Mesa.
It's not just Mesa and PSA.
09-11-2014 | 09:21 AM
#232
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From: Seat 0A
When are we going to stop viewing regionals as a stepping stone? There should be absolutely no reason one cannot make this a career choice, but we need to come together to make that happen.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
09-11-2014 | 09:33 AM
#233
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From: EMB145 CA
Well it was 5-6 years no too long ago and could change with the slightest hick-up in the economy. Never bet on a quick up grade, but be prepared for it! Go somewhere you can tolerate in case you get stuck.
09-11-2014 | 10:35 AM
#234
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There is a COLA raise every year. It's not enough to cover the actual COLA but it is there.
An FO at PSA will have a higher number on their W2(with more days off) at 42ish/hour than any other regional at 47/hour......
But hey, at least everyone else is flooded with internet beers.
An FO at PSA will have a higher number on their W2(with more days off) at 42ish/hour than any other regional at 47/hour......
But hey, at least everyone else is flooded with internet beers.
09-11-2014 | 10:58 AM
#235
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All emotions aside, as an Envoy CA I think when comparing PSA and Envoy it's apples and oranges. PSA was targeted by management. They saw an opportunity to get 60% of 400 pilots to change the regional industry!
This is where ALPA let Envoy down. The two pilot groups have nothing to do with each other but are faced with playing with the same deck of cards.
This is where ALPA let Envoy down. The two pilot groups have nothing to do with each other but are faced with playing with the same deck of cards.
09-11-2014 | 11:03 AM
#236
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Originally Posted by wags3539
When are we going to stop viewing regionals as a stepping stone? There should be absolutely no reason one cannot make this a career choice, but we need to come together to make that happen.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
well upgrade is 2 years here and dropping fast… no one should be stuck at 4 year pay scale unless you wanna be
Originally Posted by wags3539
When are we going to stop viewing regionals as a stepping stone? There should be absolutely no reason one cannot make this a career choice, but we need to come together to make that happen.
Thank you Envoy, Republic, and Express jet for making the effort. PSA, you guys deserve the contract you're stuck with. A serious question to PSA guys, do you even get COLA raises at the top of the pay scale, or is that it? If the last raise you get as an FO stops at 4 years, at $30 whatever it is, you're going to have a hell of a time paying bills. I hear mom and dad's basement is nice this time of year.
If I see Envoy/Expressjet/Republic guys on an overnight the beer is on me.
well upgrade is 2 years here and dropping fast… no one should be stuck at 4 year pay scale unless you wanna be
09-11-2014 | 11:19 AM
#237
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From: Gear Slinger
The problem with this viewpoint is nothing in this industry remains constant. It may be less than 2 years now, but it was also 2 years when I was hired at my airline 7 years ago. Needless to say, I didn't upgrade in 2 years. I didn't want to be on year 7 pay scale as an FO either, but thank god that was in the contract. That, along with the fact the the FO pay is 60% of captain pay to prevent the scenario of a captain being paid $100 while a senior FO is making $35
09-11-2014 | 02:12 PM
#238
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The problem with this viewpoint is nothing in this industry remains constant. It may be less than 2 years now, but it was also 2 years when I was hired at my airline 7 years ago. Needless to say, I didn't upgrade in 2 years. I didn't want to be on year 7 pay scale as an FO either, but thank god that was in the contract. That, along with the fact the the FO pay is 60% of captain pay to prevent the scenario of a captain being paid $100 while a senior FO is making $35
In my opinion, with the exception of Envoy who will likely shutter, there will be consolidation followed by shrinkage in the regional airlines. This shrinkage will cause down grades of captains who already are beyond year 4 longevity.
It's just my theory, but you have to ask yourself why are company's like AA pushing so hard for this with their wholly owneds?
09-12-2014 | 05:47 AM
#239
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You shouldn't mock them. PSA was offered a "better" deal to vote on than Express jet, Republic, or Envoy. There is no reason to be so proud of yourself for doing nothing except going to work, flying and going home. PSA could have negotiated better terms in the last agreement, you cannot believe the company actually offered their "final" terms.
Just presenting facts that most are ignorant to.
09-12-2014 | 07:16 AM
#240
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You have to really think hard about why management, of all things they could go after, would choose to cap FO pay at 4 years. They know what is coming.
In my opinion, with the exception of Envoy who will likely shutter, there will be consolidation followed by shrinkage in the regional airlines. This shrinkage will cause down grades of captains who already are beyond year 4 longevity.
It's just my theory, but you have to ask yourself why are company's like AA pushing so hard for this with their wholly owneds?
You have to really think hard about why management, of all things they could go after, would choose to cap FO pay at 4 years. They know what is coming.
In my opinion, with the exception of Envoy who will likely shutter, there will be consolidation followed by shrinkage in the regional airlines. This shrinkage will cause down grades of captains who already are beyond year 4 longevity.
It's just my theory, but you have to ask yourself why are company's like AA pushing so hard for this with their wholly owneds?
They're pulling a fast one and the evidence is right in plain sight
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