I do not fly for PSA nor am I involved with the company in any way.
Let's put blame where it should be. AAG and similar majors ore the root of all these issues. These majors make a profit of 1.5 billion per financial quarter. They can afford to pay the regional more money if they choose. It's like a PSA that has to concede in order to compete and get these contracts.

 

You're making my point...
"They can afford to pay the regional more money if they choose".
If people would stop rolling over for the first concessionary offer management give them, then maybe they would have to pay more.


Well, guess what? No one but the pilots at PSA voted YES for concessions! AAG management had no power to force it on them and other majors had no vote. After many other pilots took a stand and voted NO to concessions, the PSA pilots decided to undermine those groups and vote yes...

That's been the point all along, if everyone refused anymore concessions, they still need to cover the flying. The whole PSA apologist argument that they would be shut down, etc. is null and void because if ALL of us keep saying NO to concessions, then we can finally put a stop to the downward spiral. It really is that simple.
Wouldn't it be nice if everyone in this profession would stop going just a little lower to poach flying to benefit themselves? Is a little unity too much to ask??

 

That would all be nice in a perfect world. Fact is ALPA national could easily solve the problem but they choose not too So no unity. People usually do what is best for them. You can never count on the other man to what's good for you. When PSA voted in their contract it was game over for us at Envoy. I am supprised most can not see that. We should have voted in the TA. Now we will be screwed pure and simple. It's game over , period. Lose CRJs base closers displacement and on and on. Now we will get real concessions costing big money and heartake for all.

 

If no one agreed to anymore concessions, that would be best for them, and everyone else in this profession as well! Finally, after decades of sliding, we have an opportunity with age 65, 117, and the new 121 ATP requirements to at least halt the degradation of the profession(and not just give in to management every time they decide they want to line their pockets just a little more)!
It's not that difficult, it would just mean not selling out your peers to gain bigger/more aircraft through aiding and abetting management in their seemingly never ending quest to pay us less.

 

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You keep looking at this from a veiw point of "in a perfect world" in an imperfect situation. A contract carrier pilot group can say no to consessions all they want. But as long as a mainline carrier gets a rate from that contract carrier management that they can accept, then how much the pilots get paid is of no concern to the mainline carrier. So when XJT (or whoever) voted no, there was absolutely no chance that XJT management would shut down XJT. But the wholly owned contract has a direct effect on the mainline bottom line. There is real teeth to: "if you say no we will take that into consideration when your leases come due." What is happening to Envoy is a perfect example of that. They were screwed the moment they voted no, regardless of how PSA voted afterward.

 

Dragon, are you saying that all wholly owneds will automatically be shut down if they ever vote no? The company loves how easily you fall for their fear tactics.

Their is a stark divide in our philosophy:
you appear to support voting YES to every single concession the company proposes, every time.

I and many others like me, on the other hand, believe this profession has been degraded far too much already and we should have ZERO CONCESSIONS, PERIOD.

Who agrees with me?

 

Look at Envoy. No they won't be shut down by Tuesday. But they are losing their most valuable asset. What possition will they be in 2 years? PSA has 49 a/c, only 14 of which are valuable. Where will PSA be in 2018 if they say no? You think they will run an airline with 14 a/c? Same with PDT, airframes are timing out. What future will they have? You say they can't shut down 3 airlines over 3-5 years. I see 8 other airlines just waiting to take the flying, and there are others that aren't in the system yet that could make it more than 8. Parker has options, the wholly owneds don't.

 

Why do you think it's your obligation to buy airplanes?

 

Where do you get that from? AAG is the one buying the airplanes.