Which makes me doubt AAG has any desire to merge any of the WO carriers in the near future. What does AAG gain by merging them?

I could see the 3 WO merging down the road only if the regional industry consolidates due to staffing issues.

If this plays out how I think it will, regionals will hit a breaking point in the next 3-5 years where they will no longer be able to find any qualified pilots to staff their operations. The 12/4 caps and awful pay will only make things worse but I think at a certain point there will literally be too few available new pilots, even if the pay gets better. The legacies will start to bring flying back in house and the regional airline industry will shrink considerably, especially amongst the FFD carriers. I think all of this will happen within the decade, but only if we stave off legislative and regulatory changes such as dropping the ATP rule or creating more loop holes for it, introducing a multi crew certificate, increasing retirement age to 67, etc.

 

Eagle merging with Piedmont what-if's? Do you guys seriously have that much free time on your hands?!?

Eagle had the lions share of the AA flying pre-merger. Post merger, Dougie & CO went the DAL route and split everything up. Eagle was going to lose a bunch of planes regardless.

 

The DAL route is to take back its regional flying to mainline. Dougie and CO ate ten years too late to follow that model.

 

I read what you wrote very clearly, was just looking for clarification... Thanks, and now I see that the SAP you PSA guys are trying to use as an excuse or justification for you taking concessions is not something that can be counted on to continue, and for the most part your pay caps mean your pay will lag behind all the better regionals that are actually voting NO to concessions, and actually attempting to raise the bar(although the PSA yes vote for concessions doesn't help)!

 

1. There will be NO merger. Who is spreading this propaganda? Alpa?

2. Not urging anyone to do anything. They need to look at the status of envoy to come to a conclusion on how to vote.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the SAP in place prior to the 12/4 contract? With the SAP PSA's contract is actually superior to Envoy's current BK deal, but I don't think it can be used in defense of the 12/4 concession.

 

Yes. SAP is pre 12/4 contract. They use it to cover the concessions they took.

But you know...it's so shinny that have them blind.

 

For one of those few occasions, I agree with you. While I think the number of external contractors will decrease, the more wholly owned the better from management's perspective. They have found that shuffling airplanes around, while may make some short term expenses, will make long term savings and they can accomplish that via whipsaw. Not as easy to do with contract carriers.

Parker and co are on record for saying multiple times that they have too many regional carriers at the combined LAA/LUS (I believe 10-11) and they want that down to a smaller number. They see the future as a baseball "Farm" system where they hire people into a wholly owned for a few years then move them to the mainline. Again, can't do that with contract carriers but having only 1 wholly owned eliminates the ability to whipsaw.

 

Piedmont TA passed by 77%. I bet AA mgmt is kicking themselves because with those numbers they could've offered less and piedmont would've taken it. Last straw for envoy or will they come back one last time with an even worse offer than PSA and Piedmont and say, "see, I told you so."


http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...greement.html/

 

Envoy is done and Parker is laughing his ass off. Expect Envoy's 145s to star going to PDT and PSA by Spring.