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09-09-2014 | 09:28 PM
#191
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ALL regional airlines suck compared to the majors. Envoy pilots fell on the sword and took a stand when no one else would. Unfortunately, management was NOT bluffing and now they will be slowly shrunk into non existence like Comair. Even ALPA agrees that there is not a shortage. There will never be a lack of pilots unless all regionals are represented as one. Who cares though? Senior regional captains and stagnant FOs are the only ones pi**ed off enough to vote for this. So I guess if you are an 8 year FO at Envoy or Endeavor what is stopping you from going to PSA for a year, upgrading, and then getting on at Spirit, JB, etc.... You all are bickering back an forth about starting FO pay! Who cares. The music is playing right now and if you don't upgrade and move on, hundreds of others will in your place. Leave your failing regional, let it crumble behind you, and move on with your career.
Envoy pilots aren't the only ones who "took a stand", Expressjet, Republic, and Silver all voted NO to concessions! That's what makes the PSA sell out all the more disappointing...
09-09-2014 | 10:11 PM
#192
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Compare rah and silvers contract to PSA and you'll see they are night and day. Also check exjs new hire pay including dual occupancy during training. Oh and let's not forget who else just took a concession. Skywest! Year long pay freezes. But hey let's just ignore all those facts.
09-09-2014 | 10:23 PM
#193
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With the addition of the 30 900s as well as 1% flat increase in April(?) 2015 the new 4 year FO cap is within like 15 cents of the old 8 year rate. The 1% happens every year and WAS NOT in the original contract so in a couple years our 4 year rate will actually be higher than the old 8 year rate ever would've been in the original deal. The 4 year cap essentially doesn't matter.
The increase for the most expensive family plan at the full maturation of the health care increase is $60/month. Yes, unfortunately it is more but it is not budget shattering. For my single plan the increase is $8/month.
As far as "schedule manipulation" Even at normal staffing levels the company, and union stated during negotiations for the ORIGINAL contract that something like 18% of days are critical anyway. The way the language is written if 1 out of every 5 days are critical it wouldn't be much of a problem the get some critical pay.
On the off chance that no days are critical You can still drop flying down to 65 hours and then pick back up your original(or similar) trips later at 125%. This situation is obviously not as rosy as the current one but it is no worse than any other regional.
So there's the relevant numbers.
The increase for the most expensive family plan at the full maturation of the health care increase is $60/month. Yes, unfortunately it is more but it is not budget shattering. For my single plan the increase is $8/month.
As far as "schedule manipulation" Even at normal staffing levels the company, and union stated during negotiations for the ORIGINAL contract that something like 18% of days are critical anyway. The way the language is written if 1 out of every 5 days are critical it wouldn't be much of a problem the get some critical pay.
On the off chance that no days are critical You can still drop flying down to 65 hours and then pick back up your original(or similar) trips later at 125%. This situation is obviously not as rosy as the current one but it is no worse than any other regional.
So there's the relevant numbers.
The 1% doesn't come close to even keeping you even with inflation, let alone ahead of it, so that argument doesn't really hold water. Or do you have automatic COLA increases as well?
There were no COLA increases before. There was no 1% before.
Even the 12 year captain cap will come close to equaling what our old 18 year rates were by the end of our new deal.
Honest question here: are there regional contracts that have a 3% yearly COLA increase? I'm not aware of any. Does eagle have it?
09-09-2014 | 11:18 PM
#194
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Compare rah and silvers contract to PSA and you'll see they are night and day. Also check exjs new hire pay including dual occupancy during training. Oh and let's not forget who else just took a concession. Skywest! Year long pay freezes. But hey let's just ignore all those facts.
Well, that's not really the whole story is it? The EMB fo's got a huge raise... In fact I think the 30 seat turboprop now pays as much more than your fo's get on your 900's and 175's that have 76 seats and are much more productive being faster with greater range.
09-10-2014 | 03:05 AM
#195
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You're saying that you can make "$110K+ with 20+ days off every single month? I find that hard to believe even with SAP.
I make that but am not getting off more than 20 days every month.
You're saying over 110 is consistently possible working only 9 days a month, and this won't change as soon as they catch up on staffing???
Reallllllly hard to believe.
The other poster mentioned 150K, the only way I can see that is if you include per diem, bonuses, 401K match, and companies share of health insurance(which I don't). The company tries to by calling it "total compensation", but not in agreement with that method.
I make that but am not getting off more than 20 days every month.
You're saying over 110 is consistently possible working only 9 days a month, and this won't change as soon as they catch up on staffing???
Reallllllly hard to believe.
The other poster mentioned 150K, the only way I can see that is if you include per diem, bonuses, 401K match, and companies share of health insurance(which I don't). The company tries to by calling it "total compensation", but not in agreement with that method.
You need to read more clearly what I wrote and not jump to your own conclusion and then immediatly go on the attack.
I also know of more senior Captains at PSA who will make $150k this year. And no, it's not adding in all the things you mentioned. Until you know our contract and how it works, and I'll admit even I don't understand every word, it's easy to make broad statements like many do here about how we lowered the bar. Life is pretty good here and getting better by the day now that the leader at the top has been replaced.
09-10-2014 | 03:10 AM
#196
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If Mark Twain were alive he would rephrase his statement about the certainty of death and income taxes to include "regional pilots will always get snookered" and of course defend their actions as honorable and intelligent on Internet forums
09-10-2014 | 04:56 AM
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Excuse me, I thought that taking any concessions during times of profitability was a step backwards and completely unacceptable. It's okay for Skywest though? Give me a break. You idiots on here have at it. Good luck I'm punching out of this dumb @ss website.
09-10-2014 | 06:20 AM
#199
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You'll have to find some other excuse.
09-10-2014 | 06:28 AM
#200
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You're fighting a losing battle and you know it. Might as well resort to name calling. Go ahead and "punch out" if you wish. Your PSA colleagues are so widely hated now that you will feel compelled to return here to aid them soon.
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