BoardPilot

I'm glad they included in the video how they train us to put out the flaming bar-b-q, just in case the cook-out at the overnight gets out of hand.

pagey

And here I thought we had something with the Tom Brady incident......

Anywho.....You brought up the document, not me. Fact is your group still signed it and your group still agreed to concessions.

As far as our "weak argument" they didn't need to shut ALL of us down. Once they shut PSA down that would have legitimized their threat not only to Eagle but also to PDT.

AAG has proven many times over that there is plenty of staffing out there to place acft wherever they felt was best for them. PSA had 49 acft at the time of our vote. How many has Eagle lost, or are slated to lose in the near future? Plenty more than 49.

Is there a chance AAG was bluffing and that they financially couldn't have shut any of us down? Maybe. I think the facts since our vote support that they absolutely could have, probably 3 times over. Either way, 61% of our pilots decided they didn't want to gamble when it came to their jobs that support their families' livelihood. They went with the sure thing. They were smarter than I was at the time.

Lastly, No one freakin laughed, or "taunted" you for voting no. Get the F over yourself.

PilotCrusader

Really? No taunting? Do we need to rehash the tools that were on social media laughing when PSA was awarded our RJs? I could go into detail about the words some of your tool pilots have said when I booted them off the Jumpseat, but that would give me away. No, generally your pilots have been smug little SOBs most of the time.
Meanwhile we held the line and watched to our dismay as not only did you reap the rewards of our no vote by pilfering our young, you did it with a smile!
You broke the contract. You ran the industry into the mud on the AAG side. I have no doubt in my mind that of Envoy had been "first up", they would not have flinched; they would have honored the contract and done their part to stay united against the managements that have tried to undermine peoples lives and careers. You flinched big time. Now, after NOT honoring the contract, your retort is "Well Envoy signed it and broke it too!". ONLY after you opened Pandora's box. Your excuse is weak and if this is all you can keep grasping on to to try and hide how many people you screwed, then you obviously know deep down how wrong what you did really was.

pagey

ONE guy says something on facebook and the entire group are scumbags? Should I consider every Eagle pilot a raving lunatic because you come on here acting like a tool calling me names?

O the people you wouldn't let jumpseat said something mean you? What did you expect?(still think you're lying)

Again, I'm not making excuses, and YOU brought up the "contract(lol)" not me. I was just pointing out that you are being hypocritical since your MEC signed it as well. Because apparently you doing the SAME EXACT THING as us is different because you were "forced"......right?

PilotCrusader

In no way, not even kind of, did we do the same exact thing as you. I just explained that; doing the same thing as you would have been us in the same EXACT scenario as you - having just(within weeks) signed a pact to NOT take concessions and then taking them. As I said, if Envoy were there, I have no doubt we would have told them to go pound salt. Do not forget they actually did come to us first with those 30 CRJ900s, requests for concessions, and threats. Our MEC relayed this to the pilot group and he response was so overwhelming that where you quickly bent over and screwed the industry, we quickly said no go away. It was so swift that AAG knew they had to move on and so they moved to you and gave the same threats. The rest is history: you are gutless.
So, in no way did we do the the SAME EXACT THING. Breaking the pact by you and PDT forced us to stay alive by taking the crappy deal you did. If we had said no, the retribution was going to be swift. More importantly, scumbag operations like PSA would have benefited, making our cause worthless.
I really cannot believe you are still telling people we did the same thing. I cannot believe you can rationalize that in your noggin. It's pretty sad guy.

CLT Guy

Here is the question: If PSA had said NO, would you have voted to take all of the PSA pilots with their current seniority and put them on your seniority list when AAG shut PSA down? That is exactly what would have happened. How would 500 pilots losing their jobs have helped the industry?

PilotCrusader

Such lunacy. So you are saying it was okay to vote yes, ruin the lives of many Envoy pilots because they said no, to stay alive? We were faced with the same threats, and said no over and over until it was clear we had no choice: now that they had extracted the pay cuts and benefit reductions from you and PDT, they COULD shut us down. You weren't going to ge shut down and you know it. If you don't, you are saying you believed you would get shut down and decided it was either you or us and you would rather it be you. Either way, gutless and without a moral fiber for your "fellow" pilots.
Just remember we said no to the same deal you got offered. If we had said yes, you would be screwed still right? In retrospect, seeing as you wanted to play every man for himself, maybe we should have just said yes to those 900s first and let you be shut down anyway right? Oh wait, but people like ME are the problem. Laughable, kiddo.

Facebitten

Serious question. Why did they show Envoy pilots flying the 170 if they aren't on property yet?

CLT Guy

Kiddo? I will guarantee I am at least a decade older than you. I probably got my Masters Degree when you will still eating paste and finger painting.

And yes, PSA would have been shut down within a year. We only had a handful of airplanes.

The only reason that Envoy voted yes is because AAG showed your MEC the exact plan for shutdown and how it was going to work. There was a timeline and everything in place to shut it down. They finally believed it and panicked and everyone voted yes.

Voting no was a luxury that Envoy had since you were so much larger than PSA. PSA had no bargaining power. Envoy voted yes as soon as they realized that they had no bargaining power.

tom11011

Your anger is misdirected, how do you not see that after all that has happened. ALPA and your MEC let you down big time, mainly ALPA though. Time you acknowledge that, in fact its time all alpa regionals acknowledge alpa's role in this mess.