Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Envoy Airlines (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/)
-   -   Envoy closes 3 bases in 3 years. 2 left! (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/87050-envoy-closes-3-bases-3-years-2-left.html)

N927EV 03-17-2015 07:42 AM

With the way this is going, they won't be able to wind us down slowly or even staff 40 -175s. As if attrition isn't bad enough right now, it's about to get a hell of a lot worse. Even the "gummers" are choosing to flow now. Think this is going to increase many new hires too?? The death spiral has just gotten tighter.

JT8D 03-17-2015 08:03 AM

But according to the advertisement, they are now hiring CFI's! Oh look, maybe YOU can be like the girl in the picture and have the PRIVILEGE of buying your own ipad, special FAA approved mount, and battery for company use (to save a multi billion dollar corporation money, of course). Oh, and FLOW THROUGH TO AMERICAN******





*If no terrorist attacks occur within the next decade (despite the fact that the current "commander in chief" is too much of a pathetic coward to even label terrorists as terrorists for fear of hurting their feelings)

*Provided that envoy airlines is still in business six (6) years from now despite having a management team whose members can do nothing but whine and shift blame (garbage truck operations in Puerto Rico are better managed than this airline. Just ask our passengers, they'll tell you)

*Provided that the company does not brazenly and intentionally violate the flowthrough section of the contract because they feel like it (contractual adherence is optional for envoy management)

*Provided that American hires non-stop for the next six (6) years straight (if not, you're stuck at fourth year regional FO salary for the foreseeable future, good luck!)

*Provided that your chief pilot does not put you on a $ hit list for anything they choose. (If so... no flow for you)

*Provided that no additional "undefers" appear out of the woodwork and shut the flowthrough program down for months at a time

RJ Pilot 03-17-2015 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1844422)
Maybe. I still think Envoy won't fold for at least a few years, hence the "several" remark. I'm not so sure they're locked into any long-term decision about Envoy. It looks to me to be a slow bleed vs. a torn jugular.

Thrustlever has spoken!

eaglefly 03-17-2015 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by RJ Pilot (Post 1844467)
Thrustlever has spoken!

Hey, I like the name !

Your obsession with calling me "Thrustlever" has been approved ! :D

Mrlind 03-17-2015 10:47 AM

Why even waste time on a 170/75 program?

JT8D 03-17-2015 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Mrlind (Post 1844550)
Why even waste time on a 170/75 program?

Because a certain well-connected AA FO needs a "special assignment" so that he can be home every night.

Skyvector 03-17-2015 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 1844560)
Because a certain well-connected AA FO needs a "special assignment" so that he can be home every night.

So all of this, an entire new aircraft type for Envoy, a new contract after multiple failed negotiations, LOAs, talks of a retention plan, gearing up training for the E175, Sims, and so on...

All of this for Jim Winkley?? You shouldn't be allowed around sharp objects. Please, please by all means resign today and go work for Mesa. The more of your kind we weed out the better we will all be. I don't normally go nuclear but holy crap man...you are one special specimen.

skydreamer2015 03-17-2015 11:18 AM

What 2 bases are left then?

JT8D 03-17-2015 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1844563)
So all of this, an entire new aircraft type for Envoy, a new contract after multiple failed negotiations, LOAs, talks of a retention plan, gearing up training for the E175, Sims, and so on...

All of this for Jim Winkley?? You shouldn't be allowed around sharp objects. Please, please by all means resign today and go work for Mesa. The more of your kind we weed out the better we will all be. I don't normally go nuclear but holy crap man...you are one special specimen.

Detecting sarcastic facetiousness isn't one of your strong points, is it?

JT8D 03-17-2015 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by skydreamer2015 (Post 1844569)
What 2 bases are left then?

DFW and ORD


Until next week...


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:51 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands