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PilotCrusader 03-18-2015 05:07 AM


Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1844928)
Since before the PSA (or envoy) pilot votes AAGs goal was for PSA to be the operator of the Bombardier products and envoy to be the operator of the Embraer products. That goal hasn't changed.

There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.

He wasn't being serious. He is just a scumbag.

PSASUX 03-18-2015 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1844763)
I was at PSA corp yesterday and it looks like we are opening a base in DFW, not Chicago. We might also be now adding E175's to our program. Word is Envoy can't staff it.


You must be high on crack. No way are we getting 175's at PSA. We cannot even staff what we have, much less the other 900's we are supposed to get. But you keep drinking that company kool aid.

snippercr 03-18-2015 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 1844840)
Endeavor (Pinnacolaba) Let's see, off the top of my head, Pinnacle, MEM, MSP, DTW, ATL, JFK.... Mesaba, MSP, DTW, CVG, MEM, LGA ( CWA, RHI, years back) Colgan, IAH, EWR, IAD, BOS, CRW, ALB, and the pile of outstation bases I can't remember..... Today, MSP, DTW, JFK/LGA.... over 3000 pilots, now 1500, down to 110ish planes and still dropping... We feel your pain. At least we might have hit bottom finally here

Never was a part of those airlines so my history isnt that good, but they had bases in RHI and CWA? While I actually have family that live near RHI, not exactly the most populous area. I guess that is why they are not bases anymore. Hell, some of the eagles that formed the "American Eagle Airlines" had a base in MQT and FNT plus plenty others I'm sure.

Skyvector 03-18-2015 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1844928)
Since before the PSA (or envoy) pilot votes AAGs goal was for PSA to be the operator of the Bombardier products and envoy to be the operator of the Embraer products. That goal hasn't changed.

There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.

Interesting analysis, and one that I agree with. Only thing I'm not 100% sold on is a merger. I assume you mean Envoy merging with Piedmont. But that would reduce the company's ability to whipsaw.

But I agree that there is a long term plan for Envoy which involves us being the E-175 operator. In fact, AA said as much in their last meeting with Envoy. But first there is a size they need to get us down to.

tom11011 03-18-2015 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by PSASUX (Post 1844978)
You must be high on crack. No way are we getting 175's at PSA. We cannot even staff what we have, much less the other 900's we are supposed to get. But you keep drinking that company kool aid.

Ex comair buddy says couple of psa big wigs over at CVG flight safety checking out the E175 sim.

snippercr 03-18-2015 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1845198)
Ex comair buddy says couple of psa big wigs over at CVG flight safety checking out the E175 sim.

Do you hear that? It's like the sound of a collective boner being popped as PSA pukes salivate at the prospect of getting more airplanes from Envoy.

tom11011 03-18-2015 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1845205)
Do you hear that? It's like the sound of a collective boner being popped as PSA pukes salivate at the prospect of getting more airplanes from Envoy.

I don't work there. It probably means nothing so don't get all excited.

air101 03-18-2015 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1844992)
Interesting analysis, and one that I agree with. Only thing I'm not 100% sold on is a merger. I assume you mean Envoy merging with Piedmont. But that would reduce the company's ability to whipsaw.

But I agree that there is a long term plan for Envoy which involves us being the E-175 operator. In fact, AA said as much in their last meeting with Envoy. But first there is a size they need to get us down to.

What if they consolidate all of the flying onto one certificate (PSA), and then keep all the ground handling in a separate company (Envoy). This would not facilitate the whipsaw, but may help them lower costs by running only 1 certificate versus 3. Who knows. Who cares.

buddies8 03-18-2015 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1844928)
Since before the PSA (or envoy) pilot votes AAGs goal was for PSA to be the operator of the Bombardier products and envoy to be the operator of the Embraer products. That goal hasn't changed.

There is a target number of envoy pilots and that number is close to being hit. If attrition carries envoy below that number there is a group of pilots that could be brought in that would bolster the numbers.

just from curiosity, what group of pilots would be brought in to bolster?

Skyvector 03-18-2015 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1845219)
just from curiosity, what group of pilots would be brought in to bolster?

Who do you think? Starts with a P, doesn't end in an A...and will soon be operating ERJ-145s for AA. Keep in mind the long term goal: Envoy as the Embraer operator for AA.


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