I have a good friend at Envoy right now that is telling me come end of summer this might be a place to be at. Apparently the flow is a real thing and new planes are coming. He is 2nd year on reserve but is picking up a ton of 200% so it works because he is based at home. It's weird to hear that from a few people there that it's ok, yet I come here and it's all doom and gloom and don't say Envoy 3 times in the mirror or else it will get you! I imagine it's somewhere in the middle. Everything sucks in the regionals I'm sure I'll find that out where ever I go. Granted, I've been shot at, Blown up, and had to burn drums of my own **** with JP8 mixed sooooo I think it won't be that bad.

It is what you make of it. If you live in base, life isn't so bad. Next month I will credit just shy of 120 hours with 13 days off due to 3-day trips and OT. Living in base makes all the difference. That won't be the case for me come fall, so I'm making as much as I can now and then pretty much coasting until the flow comes. So yes, the flow is real.

I wouldn't bet on the flow if you are outside the 824. Even the remainder of the 824 might be a gamble...

anyways,

Goodluck!

Why? As a complete outsider to how this works, could you explain why its bad and why it wouldn't happen for say a new guy getting on this summer?

Outsider? He lurks on EL and "still has friends" here.

Where you off to this week in that might GV, RJ Pilot?

I wasnt talking about you.

I was referring to me as an outsider. Sorry for the confusion.

Relax Francis. He's talking about RJ, the resident troll who is apparently globetrotting in a GV now. My perspective is mine and mine alone. Like I said, a lot of it depends on if you live in base.

The problem with the flow-through is that it's been a pipe dream for far too long. First it was poorly negotiated, and after 9/11 we had lots of furloughed AA guys come to Eagle as out-of-seniority captain "flowbacks." We spent 10 years in arbitration to try and get the company to comply with the flow through, and as a result of the Nicolau TWA decision got 824 flowthrough slots in addition to the guys that already had AA numbers. We have guys that have waited over a decade that are just now flowing. The company (AMR and now AAG) has constantly *****ed about our payroll costs due to seniority, but yet they have resisted flowing more of our senior guys at every step along the way. A couple years ago the company yet again violated our CBA and took our airplanes off the Eagle certificate, and as result of negotiation we got a "protected pilot" agreement that gave flow to everyone on property as of Oct of '11. Of course, now they are giving away our airplanes left and right. Basically the moral of the story is that we've been jerked around so long by the promise of flowing to AA that it's almost a bad joke to us. I've been at Eagle/Envoy nine years, and I'm STILL almost three years away from flowing....assuming the hiring at AA doesn't stop for whatever reason. It looks great to new hires in company propaganda, but the unfortunate reality of broken promises is far more soul-crushing.

The reason we are shrinking is because AAG is giving away our airplanes. They are attempting to make life so miserable here that we shrink to a size they can more easily whipsaw us, and our "NO" votes never again endanger their operation. Whatever you do, don't go into this thinking that everything will be sunshine and lollypops. You'll be on reserve a long time, at a company that won't even in good faith negotiate with us to make our reserve rules compliant with 117. YMMV.

easy. When they combine the sen list and PBS, there will be less pilots required and there goes your flow.

Hey snappy, did you get that shiny 175 upgrade Or did the displacements pushed you farther down?

Goodluck!