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Originally Posted by LeadFoot (Post 1896277)

Given the CRJ's extended stay at Envoy, does that mean they will keep flying out of all current bases, including NY? Is NY base getting an extension as well?

No, I think that's toast. Look, the "plan" AAG has regarding what spreading its feed out is still the same place it was 6 months ago. The plan was to siphon Envoy's flying to others and THAT is still VERY MUCH in play. Looks like DFW and ORD for the forseeable future, but who knows once consolidation occurs ? :eek:

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1896282)

I see what you mean

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Originally Posted by Blueskeyes (Post 1896280)

This is honestly good news for everyone. Envoy gets to fly six CRJ's another year, PSA gets a chance to catch its breath. The other case scenario would've been either PSA and/or Envoy parks -200's or -145's respectfully. AAG doesn't want the dual class birds sitting around at all.

....they don't want ANY sitting around at all, at least that required to protect the market share they desire. This was simply AAG reacting to bumps in the road to ensure they are doing just that. It was up to Envoy management to spin that as something directed at Envoy pilots for their benefit and that they did. Some see it for what it is and others, well.....................:cool:

Another thing to consider is if they continue the flow as planned or better than planned. Moves to LCCs make even less sense.

At this point any captain with PIC is making the same amount as a LCC 1/2 yr FO and they will flow in under 2 years. The only move that makes sense is another major.

FOs have a bit tougher decision, and the jump to an LCC is far from an obvious move. Go to an LCC as an FO and that very well be a career long move (without PIC) it's not a shortcut anywhere besides better pay and QOL immediately, especially with Envoy bases closing this move might make sense for some guys faced with the prospect of commuting.

Overall if the company acts on its plan of 2.5 year upgrade and 6 year flow, meaning that they hit all required numbers flow/upgrades/hiring the pilot group will begin to trust the numbers and I would venture no one would leave for an LCC when everyone is awaiting either imminent upgrade or flow.

It's time for management to put up or shut up, we obviously don't trust their word, but if we start seeing the flow/upgrades/hiring guys will stay.

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For those of us that have been in this industry a long time, we clearly understand the cycles. After a period of change and uncertainty, I’m pleased to see a much more positive outlook here at Envoy.

Envoy to Retain More CRJ-700 Flying: Pedro's announcement today means that we will transfer 12 instead of 18 CRJ-700s to PSA during 2015. Envoy will continue to fly the remaining fleet of 35 CRJ-700s until transfers to PSA resume in of the second half of 2016. This translates into an additional 30 Captain positions, bringing our forecasted requirement for Captain upgrades between now and the end of 2016 to around 230. This is terrific news, expect a new vacancy bid shortly to cover these new flying requirements.

Large Cabin E175: June 1, we reached a major milestone in the launch of the E175, with all of our Flight Operating Manuals submitted to the FAA for approval. This puts us well underway for our first aircraft acceptance scheduled for November of this year and on course for us to operate a fleet of 28 two-class E175s by year end 2016. Initial pilot awards are complete and training is scheduled to begin in late August.

Pilot Flow to American: Since January 2013, Envoy has successfully advanced 481 pilots to American Airlines, strictly seniority based with no additional interview requirement. We project that an additional 100 pilots will move to American by year end and we expect approximately the same rate of flow throughout 2016.
Time to Captain: A new hire at Envoy today is projected to make Captain at Envoy within 2.5 years and is projected to flow through to American within 6 years of date of hire.

Here we go! The momentum is building.

Best Regards,

Captain Ric Wilson

Things are starting to brighten

The reason this is big news here at Envoy is because we were forecast to have 12-18 months of shrinking and pain before things got better. The CRJ's staying longer means things get better, sooner. We're not looking at 12-18 months of pain anymore. Instead things are turning around rather quickly and we're looking at movement for the first time in a long time.

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Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 1896349)

....or it just means AAG's plans for dispersing their regional feed away from Envoy have run into some snags and they are readjusting until those snags unsnag themselves. The 6 planes staying longer isn't a bad thing and it may just mean the difference for a few lucky pilots who capitalize on this development. Is it necessarily a reversal for Envoy ?

I think that conclusion is a bit premature.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1896216)

Old news... Wasn't this already announced on a couple different threads?

No, this was the official announcement and the second slowdown of aircraft xfer to PSA. First for delivery change of 900s and now this.

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Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1896263)

...and let's not forget one very important storm brewing:

Republic. Their entire operation is imploding before everyone's eyes as Bedford has backed himself into a corner. This on top of the fact Parker has never liked him or Republic to begin with. Their MIA operation is in shambles and things get worse by the day. They fly he E175...we begin to take delivery this fall. You connect the dots of possibilities here. These CRJs staying is a drop in the bucket compared to what Envoy has coming their way, but good news never the less.

Ding ding ding. And let's not forget that everyone of those 175's in eagle colors owned by Republic was guaranteed by AAG. There are a litany of reasons those aircraft would have to be given to AAG, including non-performance. At that point, one or all (or any number in between) would have to be returned and then redeployed elsewhere.

It's going to be a good time to be an Envoy pilot.