You really do have some hate man.

The math isn't fuzzy. Keep going with above - okay so 2008 hires mostly finished by the end of next year. In 2017 2008 hires finish, along with the 2010 hires, and some of the 2011 hires.

That leaves just over 200 guys for 2018. So let's see....if hired today, you will see an upgrade some time in 2018. Nothing fuzzy about it except what your actual motivations are. Oh gee, that's 2.5 years from now.

Are you really this much full of hate just cuz poor wittle diddums didn't work out here? Or are you on someone else's agenda? Acting like a giant idiotic parrot makes me wonder...especially when you keep calling clear math "fuzzy".

 

It's not the 7 year difference in longevity that matters. It's the number of pilots between you. With only 730 between u and upgrade (btw is less then half of what it was 5 years ago).

However that's still a lot of pilots to upgrade in only 12 months (jan 2017-jan 2018) and without any additional improvements will be very hard to make. There is more positive news that should be coming down the pipe that will further reduce the upgrade time to about 2.5 years

 

Thanks for the laugh. I have little doubt this is all you see, but that's not surprising.


The fuzziness is assuming all will go as "projected" (there's a reason that word is being used, my friend ) hence my statement in that post of it being optimistic. The longevity issue was more of a statement, not a conclusion and if you read my past posts, you'd have noted I stated it was not the math itself that was the foundation of fuzziness, but the assumptions that are its foundation. I realize I'm talking WAY over your head though as it's buried in the ground like an Ostrich.

...and no poor wittle diddums worked out just fine there..........and here. , but I think there's an excellent chance your fantasies won't wotk out there and then it will be you full of hate.

 

The truth is, good things will only happen at Envoy if they can attract new pilots. As pilots flow out of the top, there needs to be new blood coming in. Once the company finishes shrinking, the new hires will need to equal the attrition. The problem is, Cujo/Mason/and all of the other screen names that are being used by the same name knows that there is no way that Envoy will be able to attract new pilots. That is why they are making up these ridiculous statistics that have no truth behind them.

He is attacking other airlines and pleading to get new pilots to come to Envoy, and everyone can smell the desperation. It is pitiful.

I could not imagine working at a company that employs people like Cujo and his cronies, nor recommending anyone to go and work there.

The flows will stop once the shrinking stops. They will not cancel flights at Envoy in order to keep people moving to mainline. Parker has a LONG history of lying and going against contracts. Just use common sense. Envoy has no future.

 

Yes, those are the "projections".

Don't forget all the pilots that will have to be hired to maintain Envoy at its present size. But how can that happen when by the end of 2016 with 14.7 pilots upgrading per month for 230, TWICE that many are supposed to flow to AA (80/till November, then 30/month through 2016) ?

That's a net loss of 230 captains slots coupled with a theoretical requirement to hire All the pilots lost between then or perhaps 700 or so through 2016. Sorry..........too much contradiction there to be anything but fuzzy to me. It works for the Crusader though who is definitely on a crusade.

 

Movement at any airline is based on projections.

For someone who only made it to a legacy due to the flow, you seem to bite the hand that fed you a lot.

 

Haha. I've got less than 3 years to go. Things have worked out fine for me and I have zero complaints. Unlike yourself, I want to see the people underneath reap rewards as well.

 

It's important to remember that Envoy (PSA, and PDT) are wholly owned. What we have here somewhat mirrors the situation at Endeavor. They signed a bankruptcy deal, got shrunk, and are now back on the upswing with 80k bonuses to every pilot on property. AAG knows this and is playing their hand accordingly. This announcement is just the beginning.

I don't think you'll see 80k in bonuses at the AAG wholly owned's though. I think they have something much bigger and more of a long term solution in the works. And it involves a cradle to grave type of approach, not just a short term bonus. I know that AA or Parker hasn't ever been called innovative, but I think they could be soon.


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My point all along. Projections are not guarantees, but some seem to be intent of representing them as such here.

This is not only irrelevant, it's in error. Neither any of your present union leadership nor your present management had anything to do with where I am today and neither did AAG's present management. How I got to AA has little bearing on what is occurring now in the sales department at Envoy, but what DID occur in the past is VERY relevant and what is likely to become more realistic, but hey.........if it gets your rocks off to make these statements, knock yourself out.

Trust me, I only want the best for present and future Envoy pilots, it's just they have a bad habit of believing anything they hear and refusing to be students of history.

 

People keep saying it, and I hope it's true. But I don't know if I believe it. I think it makes much more sense for AAG to keep its regional feed cheap and keep whipsawing us. The fact is that AA is a legacy. They will never be hurting for pilots with or without us.