Ya dude what did you think would happen when the aa pilot contract lost the scope language requiring the flying be done at amr eagle. You just got lucky. You enjoyed a very nice run at eagle under the protection of the 16 year contract including aa pilot scope requiring you to do their feed. I even bet you had a two year or less upgrade.

What I don't get is why your posting here and playing in your old school yard. We get it, envoy blows and many pilots got rurally hosed. You flowed and got lucky. And it's clear on the time line you sucked so bad you couldn't get hired off the street anywhere during a mega boom of the mid to late 90s. Not sure why you feel so mighty?

 

Sure, that was a major hit, but let's face it.......the current cadre of both line pilots and union reps can't blame the past or former pilots there for their own failures. What can you say about a union leadership that B.S.'s its own pilots about an 1113 that didn't exist or worse yet...........the 1700 saps who believed it ? I can only assume from your emotionally based erroneous assumptions YOU were one of the 1700....or maybe one of the union "leaders" ?

"I sucked so bad I couldn't get hired off the street".

Now THIS I laughed at. When you cannot refute the message, attack the messenger. You obviously know nothing about my flying abilities, qualifications or the industry during the '90's kid and so it seems all that's left to soften the painful reality of your own failures (which you've clearly learned not ONE DAMN THING FROM) is to make that baseless proclamation in regards to me. But hey, if it gets you to sleep tonight, go for it..........it's my gift to you. Unfortunately, tomorrow you'll be in the same place as tonight though and the high of that will have worn off. Gee, United has hired several Envoy pilots I know. I hear Delta, Jet Blue, Spirit and others have too and in fact, HUNDREDS of Envoy pilots have successfully moved on yet during this "mega boom", here at Envoy YOU still sit ?

Just unlucky yourself or do YOU suck too ?

As a self-proclaimed "forever fo", I have my assumptions about the answer to that question about you as well.

 

Your post has so many false allegations I don't know where to start.....

I didn't vote yes as you describe, I wasn't a union volunteer during the times you mention, and I have job offers I'm deciding on.

The only thing you dodged with your bag of false allegations is the facts I mentioned. Go on the aa forum. Stop obsessing over the folks who didn't get as lucky as you.

 

False allegations ?

Your erroneous litany of my past tops the list. I must have struck a raw nerve as you sound quite emotional in both of your posts above.

Good luck with your job offers.

 

Don't you worry, Cujo will about face again soon. It will be all Mason all the time, until he changes his mind again.

 

Just know envoy lacks any human factor anymore. It wasn't like this when I started. It is now. Your just a number that's it, if your reason for missing work isn't in the contract such as your mother dies, it's a missed assignment and no one cares. Further while on reserve you will randomly on the phone with scheduling about this weeks assignment be slipped your first days rap for next week. Hope you caught it or missed assignment. Your just a part number here.

 

I've said the same. It's not an attack, merely an observation. I was in the industry in the 90s also. Don't act like you didn't get hired because no on was hiring. They were. You had to have networked just like today.

IIRC, you went to Eagle in the 80s so you should have had all the boxes checked. Since I'm on the far side of the world with nothing to do this morning, I thought I'd look some stuff up. Here are the hiring numbers from 1995-2000 for the big players. AWA/USA/ALA/ATA/AirTran all hired but I didn't include them.

Delta hired - 2813
AA hired - 3200
SWA hired - 1643
United hired - 4714
FedEx hired - 1474
Ups hired - 861
NWA hired - 2302
CAL hired - 972

 

that would be the Vietnam retirees era.

 

What this has to do with present Envoy pilots taking their share of the responsibility for their current situation or Cujo attempting to sell rotten meat on thus forum, I don't know. As for your "observations", they are no different then Cujo claiming AA retirements as the engine that is certain to flow all present Envoy pilots to AA in 6 years. It doesn't truly tell the story you imply it does, although emotionally I'm sure it feels satisfying.

As for your numbers above, I have no interest in wasting time validating them. However, I had no desire in flying for a freight carrier, nor spending big $$$ to get a 737 type just fo get my resume in the tall stack over at SWA. During that period, Delta hired its majority from the military and I didn't even try there. Likewise, NWA and Continental held little interest for me as I would have to commute for the rest my career and wasn't interested in that at least for them. By the time UAL called, I had my AA seniority number and made the mistake of assuming I would be at AA shortly........kinda like many Envoy pilots today, at least if you drop to your knees and pray to mason. The only two majors that held interest for me were United and American and had I persued United and if I had been hired, I would have been furloughed. Turned down a US Airways interview offer in '99 before I got my AA number as that seemed like a marginal airline and yes, I would have been furloughed there too had I persued it and succeeded. Life is what it is.

Point being, we all have different priorities and the "old" Eagle was a pretty good place to ride out the Gulf war, and the turbulent '90's living very close to your home town and driving to work for $100K plus a year. You see, back then SOME of us actually believed in making Eagle a career choice as opposed to the upgrade/flow puppy mill most there want to make it now. I find it interesting that some Envoy pilots make me out to be the boogyman due to my comments, yet consider Cujo's misrepresentations unworthy of the slightest criticism. If only present Envoy pilots could first accept their situation could they perhaps solve it or at least mitigate its present descent, but instead they cling to denial, deflection and blame of others.

I'm sorry you wasted so much time pointlessly calculating industry hiring figures from the late '90's. It proved essentially nothing about me or explaining how and why my career path turned out the way it did.

 

How did this go from an Envoy bashing to a d*ck measuring contest?