Roughly 350 mandatory retirements next year

If I understand correctly, the flow at Envoy is 30/month or 50%, whichever is less. If AA planned to hire 60+ in one month, Envoy would flow a maximum of 30. If AA planned to hire 40 in one month, Envoy would flow a maximum of 20 pilots. Is this basically all correct? Also, anyone know if AA is done recalling furloughed pilots?

So people feel that there's only going to be 1:1 hire:retiree ratio? Is this based on anything factual or did someone just pull this out of their *** and now it's gospel?

Most have been retiring before mandatory retirement so far. They based their 175 estimate off projected mandatory retirements at AA next year (it's around 350). It could be more, but if they did that... Everybody would just be saying they're spinning it to make it look better and that they should only estimate based on hard known mandatory retirements.

So, it seems people will gripe regardless which way they do it.
We have guys in the 824 who will carry over company time rather than be a plain new hire like all our protected pilots, and they still complain about stuff all the time. It's like giving somebody a gold bar, and them complaining because they didn't get two.

We've sent over 500 to AA since 2013 now. That's more than the entire pilot group at PDT. Hate them all you want. Their flow is working pretty much how they said it would.

That said, I'd send people to PDT rather than here until they fix our horrible working conditions.

Why do you keep flip flopping? One week Envoy is the place to be, another week not so much.

Look, we all know you're new to the industry and like to troll; but try and keep up.

Until they fix the QOL issues nobody is recommending this place.

Ok, so it's AA that is saying they will hire only to replace retirements? Is this official from the top floor? Does fuehrer Rik have a valid reason to use this number? He can't have a 2.5 and 6 flow based on these numbers. Or the number is wrong and AA will take more. He can't say that only 175 will flow and make some wild guess about attrition outside that number to make his dream magically come true.

Well, I guess he could...but nobody'd believe him.

They haven't got a clue what they're doing, do they?

Who cares? Git while the gittin's good. Works great! Ric couldn't predict the flow rate of a turd down a toilet.

You've gone way out of your way to try and attract new hires over the last two months. Now you are not recommending Envoy? What are you supposed to tell new hires that took your advice and came to Envoy based on your expert fantasy conclusions, that it was all bullsh*t?

70ish% of ALL newhires at AA from now on are from ENY, PDT and PSA. ENY and PDT being the fastest. Both have their drawbacks but still either one is a good move right now.