Except you. Look, within the last month or so for weeks if not months prior to that on multiple forums and social media sites, you've been trumpeting Envoy as THE regional to be at for new hires and the QOL issues are FAR older then that. When people then question you on your obvious blatent misrepresentations, you just proclaim them "trolls" as if that somehow validates your biases and justifies your claims.

I think MANY here are "keeping up" just fine, it's just that you dislike them passing you in the credibiity department. :cool:

He's a troll. Facts are lost on him. You are correct with your post. Our QOL has deteriorated to where nobody can currently recommend this place.

That can change in less than a month if they want, and we are currently in negotiations.

II would STRONGLY caution you and everyone else on this forum NOT to consider Cujo to be any kind of expert on AA retirements, AA hiring or Enovy flow or the relationship between them and its applicability for flow from Envoy. Every word he parrots here is simply the opinion of himself and carries zero more weight then the kid who scoops ice cream at the nearest Baskin-Robbins.

Who knows, ask Ric
nope, just their estimate of 175
Who knows

In that order

He could probably say that it got much worse. You know people get more information as time moves forward and they do this thing called "revising previous statements" based on new information. Heck, I bet you do it in your everyday life, but you don't have a troll pointing it out to you trying to make himself look better.

No one has sold more B.S. On this forum than Cujo/Mason. He "revises" things like Hilary Clinton. Envoy pilots get what they pay for with reps like that. Always have, always will.

These clowns can't even hear what they're saying, can they? 2.5 upgrade and 6 to flow but only 175 flows in the following year? Both these scenarios from the same individual?

My brain is unable to process the contradictory nature of the opposing expectations and accept them as true. Should one condition exist, the other outcome is not feasible, yet both conditions and outcomes are simultaneously expected to be true.


HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT, OVERSEER?

AA Mandatory Retirements
Year, American Airlines, US Airways, Combined Yearly Total
2015 112 173 285
2016 135 206 341
2017 190 234 424
2018 300 262 562
2019 418 274 692
2020 535 261 796
2021 580 250 830
Subtotal by 2021 2270 1660 3930
2022 647 223 870
2023 704 299 1003
2024 717 239 956

Total During ENY CBA 4338 2421 6759

Half of 3,930 in 2021 is 1,965 which is about 115 more than are on our list that will opt to flow over. That is under 6 years.

I don't like the way they treat our pilots currently any more than the next guy; but if you want to attack them, and I hope you continue to do so; then pick a fight that your argument is suported by the data, not one where the data supports their claims.

Their treatment of our pilots is currently a serious problem, and they need to fix it swiftly.

This is the problem with salesmen like Cujo; They represent and cling to selective data to support their goals. Sure, based strictly on those numbers, it is theoretically possible for all present Envoy pilots to flow to AA. However, it is misguided assumption to believe that the number of retirements at AA translates to an equal number of Envoy pilots flowing to AA. Similar representations were made years ago with Letter 3 and they never panned out, but since Cujo was nowhere to be found on Eagle (Envoy) property then and CLEARLY is no student of history, it's easy for him to cherry pick selective claims by others and imply they are certainties and thus as a result of that, "it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot". The poor treatment of Envoy pilots has been going on for many months, if not years, yet just weeks ago, Cujo was blowing his "hear ye, hear ye, all come to Envoy horn".

Parker is already deferring deliveries and talking capacity reduction (which have gutted Envoy's chances of exercising most of their E-175 options, virtually ALL of which captains seats on the 40 aircraft they will get (200 captains) will be claimed by lifers with years to go before retirement). PBS at AA will require up to 15% less pilots to fly the same block hours (up to 2000 pilots, but probably less), up to a couple of hundred of the almost 1000 furloughees will likely accept recall (still a small percentage), all of which will dramatically slow the flow stream. Likely consolidation of regionals has strong potential to dilute the present Envoy flow due to inclusion of another carriers pilots in any merger/acquisition/consolidation scenario and that's just AA specific issues. Any number of geopolitical or economic outside factors could force stagnation or contraction of legacy carriers at any time and is one variable that is now overdue in this historically cyclical industry.

Yes, just take the flip-flop chameleons claims at face value and don't scratch the vaneer to see how strong it is. It's ironic that he has such a philosophy in that it is the exact foundation of why Envoy pilots have allowed themselves to be led down so many primrose paths over the decades. You'd think succeeding generations would learn form the past, but in fact, they not only ignore it, they mock it. The future here seems all but certain considering the parade of present Envoy pilots which is akin to the marching band in Animal House that is led up a dead end alley by the biggest moron of all the characters in the film with Cujo as the baton twirler in the front of the band.

He's been a notoriously well known flip-flop chameleon able to change his colors as his background changes all in the hope it continues to feed his ego-driven compulsion to be seen as a yoda-esqe source of industry and Envoy/AA wisdom. Most recently, he implies it is HE that is the source of what he calls the regionals new foundation and that is "staffing is the new currency". All one has to do is go back 12 months or so and remember his Mason days as yet another color of the chameleon. Anyone who wants to join this marching band down their apparently present primrose path is certainly free to do so, but again, unless you have tangible positive reasons for considering Envoy (which seem few right now), waiting awhile to see just what becomes of this apparent developing black hole would be my recommendation.

Don't come to envoy
 

On the contrary. The 6 to flow and 2.5 numerology is still fair game. While it is possible that it could happen (and quantum theory says I could exist in two places at once), it isn't happening right now. Releasing that seems to have the intent of implying that ENY is the place to come because this movement is happening now, or at least in very short order.

It isn't.

And according to the numbers he himself uses for next year's flow it won't be possible for anyone on the property, only the new hire in 2017.

That's like making a headline, "CURE FOR CANCER FOUND!" but failing to point out that it won't be available until the year 2050. Maybe it's real, but stupid and useless to anyone dealing with the issue presently.

He's counting his chickens. It's baiting.

Agreed about the treatment of everyone here.