Man I hate to break it to you but Envoy isnt going to get 50% for 6 years.... It's just not in the contract.

The world of Envoy pilots is crazy indeed these days. :cool:

BTW, I hear Envoy is slated to get LESS flying next quarter, so that would seem to blunt any of the expansion claims made in the last few weeks. It would prove that NOTHING can be counted on in advance.

To be fair, it's all of AA reducing frequency for the fall.

"Management also let the association know that fall schedules will be very different for Envoy, AA and all AA feeders. In the past AMR would keep the schedule “flat” over fall which was great for non-rev travel, but bad for the bottom line. Aircraft would fly around with an excess of empty seats. The new AAG will be reducing block hours in the fall which will lower fleet utilization and thus will result in fewer block hours given to each airline. There will be more pilots and less flying for Envoy. The MEC is seeking pilot input on which way to direct scheduling given this news. Scheduling can build more lines of lower value resulting in fewer pilots on reserve or they can build fewer lines with higher value with more pilots on reserve. There are pros and cons to each choice."

Welcome to the new AAG.

Yes, this is obviously true. But that may present a double whammy for Envoy in that they may flow less to AA because of AA's reductions in addition to less need for Envoy to upgrade and/or hire pilots as the present overstaffing will now correct itself more slowly.

Since when is Eaglefly fair? When it was announced "Free Rainbows and Unicorns for Everyone!" Eaglefly immediately jumped on his computer, went directly to APC (not hard since its his homescreen) and posted "NO PONNIES FOR ENVOY!!!!"

I'm as big as a critic as anyone when it comes to management, but you have to let the anger go and get a life at some point. Unless you are an angry exEagle pilot who like to sue...

Wait, is that you Gavin?

LOL !

Well, when it comes to originality, I'm afraid you've got some work ahead of you. :cool:

As far as "fair", what have I said that isn't fair ? Exactly what "rainbows and unicorns" have materialized at Envoy in the last 6 months ? The only claims of those have been from Cujo and a few select others there and all I've done is provide a dissenting opinion. But, when mired in denial and smitten with deflection, I understand my criticisms of any claims of R & U is upsetting. I'm sorry if I can't embrace the empty promises being sold to you by some of your union reps.

Your right, but it's 50% till we get through the protected pilots. Which will be ~1800 pilots.

It has nothing to do with Envoy. Just like you have nothing to do with Envoy anymore but can't seem to help yourself. Apparently you are the one that takes some kind of satisfaction posting on Envoy/Eagle threads.

Is Cujo or the other cheerleaders right? Of course not. Are you right? Same answer. Pretty sure everyone can figure that out by themselves.

Why don't you just say you were a lifer? Don't make up all the other excuses about the 90s etc. There were plenty then and I still know some now. I probably flew with you at some point.

As a side note, Delta was more even than you may think.

What is it with this obsession some of you Envoy pilots have with threads involving your airline that are exclusive to those that only presently work there ? I have friends still there and so the claim I "have nothing to do with Envoy" is simply another rationalization for manipulating biased information that is being disseminated here and stifling any opinion in opposition to that.

The point of virtually all my comments was to dispute Cujo's and a few others sales tactics and that makes me wrong ? :cool:

Excuses ? Pal, if you knew anything of substance, you'd know I've been on this forum for many years and that was many years before I transferred to AA and at that point was for all intents and purposes then still a "lifer" at Eagle. In fact, I was regularly criticized and belittled as such by others when they too were unable to debate my message and resorted to attacking me personally, so I'm not hiding behind anything in that regard. I'm right here.

Sure, I even flew with at least 2 F/O's that I remember who went there during that period. I had no interest in Delta, but obviously you only see the world through your glasses and thus must consider anyone who doesn't think like or place the same values as you do to be off-course (your course). Sorry, but your assumptions are wrong, but hey, they're yours to keep, so enjoy them. ;)

Typical response of a non-thinker.

Is there anything the OP said that is remotely untrue?