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BE24pilot 07-26-2015 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by Rmk1991 (Post 1937736)
Why did she say TSA and Mesa are god awful??

Do you have a minuet marker form the recording. I missed this part when I listened the first time.

sublime259 07-26-2015 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Rmk1991 (Post 1937736)
Why did she say TSA and Mesa are god awful??

Um, because they are??? Not that the others are much better, if at all.

Blackwing 07-26-2015 09:21 PM


Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1937956)
Um, because they are???

And your source of information is what exactly? Crew room gossip and internet chat forums?

ScottyDo 07-26-2015 09:34 PM

Yea if you guys want to use real information from accurate sources then here is the scoop. For the month of June Envoy had a CF of 94.98%, Mesa had 94.67 and TSA had a 94.25% completion factor. As far as "on time percentage" Envoy was on time 73.90%, Mesa 69.68%, and TSA was on time 60.29%.

So speaking for the Mesa vs Envoy debate looks like the Envoy guys really have nothing to boast about with only a CF of 0.31% better and a on time percentage of only 4.22% better.

So explain to me how TSA and Mesa are just "god awful" and Envoy is the shimmering beacon of light in performance again?

http://www.flightstats.com/go/Stats/...anceReports.do

Paid2fly 07-26-2015 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by BE24pilot (Post 1937952)
Do you have a minuet marker form the recording. I missed this part when I listened the first time.










If not a "minuet", would a waltz be okay?

sublime259 07-27-2015 03:21 AM

Well from a strictly personal experience, I was scheduled to DH on TSA one day out of LGA and literally every single outbound flight that TSA had that day was cancelled. The departure board tends to show TSA cancellations rather frequently as well. As for Mesa, anytime I fly through DFW I witness the carnage of an endless string of angry passengers first-hand.

So no, my opinion isn't from crew room gossip. The performance that I've witnessed for AAG has been horrendous.

20sx 07-27-2015 03:37 AM


Originally Posted by ScottyDo (Post 1938006)
Yea if you guys want to use real information from accurate sources then here is the scoop. For the month of June Envoy had a CF of 94.98%, Mesa had 94.67 and TSA had a 94.25% completion factor. As far as "on time percentage" Envoy was on time 73.90%, Mesa 69.68%, and TSA was on time 60.29%.

So speaking for the Mesa vs Envoy debate looks like the Envoy guys really have nothing to boast about with only a CF of 0.31% better and a on time percentage of only 4.22% better.

So explain to me how TSA and Mesa are just "god awful" and Envoy is the shimmering beacon of light in performance again?

Airline Performance Reports

It would be nice to see Dallas specifically. Your numbers are the whole operation, which probably buffers the Dallas numbers. I'd like to know if the improvements are starting to help.

fisherman 07-27-2015 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by ScottyDo (Post 1938006)
Yea if you guys want to use real information from accurate sources then here is the scoop. For the month of June Envoy had a CF of 94.98%, Mesa had 94.67 and TSA had a 94.25% completion factor. As far as "on time percentage" Envoy was on time 73.90%, Mesa 69.68%, and TSA was on time 60.29%.

So speaking for the Mesa vs Envoy debate looks like the Envoy guys really have nothing to boast about with only a CF of 0.31% better and a on time percentage of only 4.22% better.

So explain to me how TSA and Mesa are just "god awful" and Envoy is the shimmering beacon of light in performance again?

Airline Performance Reports

Hahaha, this is awesome how we are arguing about "my regional isn't quite as horrible as your regional is."

The sad part is that a certain major airline is willing to let performance suffer in order to perpetuate the whipsaw by taking planes away from a certain regional and giving the planes to worse performing regionals.

Quality doesn't matter as long as it's CHEAP.

mr25cents 07-27-2015 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by Blackwing (Post 1938004)
And your source of information is what exactly? Crew room gossip and internet chat forums?

The source of information is the CEO and the Senior VP for regional carriers. On the Questions and Answers portion another AAG employee complained about Mesa, once again. The CEO and senior VP said that they are aware of Mesas problems and outlined how they are trying to fix it, its not an Internet forum thing. It's the second time that Parker hears a complain about Mesa from an AAG employee, last time it was a 767 pilot who "asked" him about Mesa.

CBreezy 07-27-2015 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by sublime259 (Post 1938031)
Well from a strictly personal experience, I was scheduled to DH on TSA one day out of LGA and literally every single outbound flight that TSA had that day was cancelled. The departure board tends to show TSA cancellations rather frequently as well. As for Mesa, anytime I fly through DFW I witness the carnage of an endless string of angry passengers first-hand.

So no, my opinion isn't from crew room gossip. The performance that I've witnessed for AAG has been horrendous.

Most TSA canceled flights in LGA are flow control related and not maintenance or any other. Considering that 96% completion rate, no just adjusted and most flying is in and out of LGA, I'd say that your perception is confirmation bias.


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