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The number of pilots between a 2011 hire and a new hire at Envoy is very small. The attrition over the last year and a half was mostly pilots near the bottom of the list. It's been painful for the guys that have stuck it out, they were sitting at the bottom of the list with little movement. Now that the shrinkage has stabilized, things should improve. Someone who gets on the front of this wave should have it much better.

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Originally Posted by hijo (Post 1964125)

American Airlines projects that it will need 300 pilots from Envoy next year. This flow-through, coupled with our recent announcements of additional flying for American that will keep our total fleet count stable for 2016, means that we need to hire 400 pilots between now and the end of 2016.

If you have any friends that are ready to begin their pilot career with Envoy and American Airlines, now is the time. Based on American’s upcoming pilot retirements, we are projecting a high rate of Envoy pilots advancing to American Airlines for years to come. A new hire today is projected to make Captain at Envoy within 2.5 years and is projected to flow through to American within 5.5 years of hire date.

For your friends who have Part 121 experience, we have created a shortened interview process just for candidates with their qualifications. They are eligible for our abbreviated application process that typically takes just 30 minutes to complete, and they will not have to take the simulator or technical.

Next week we will begin hosting a series of open house interview events for pilots around the country. Our first stop will be Chicago (ORD), with sessions scheduled Tuesday, Sept. 8 through Sunday, Sept. 13 from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. each day. The interviews will be held in the Rotunda Room, located inside Security between Terminals G and H.

Why are these new hires important to you?

· Upgrades - These new hires mean Envoy will be able to maintain its fleet plan and upgrade 220 new captains between now and the end of 2016.

· Bonuses - You can earn an extra $1,000 for each successful pilot you refer to Envoy.

Respectfully,
RW

I say DONT APPLY. In fact I wish all candidates would stop applying to any regionals for a mere month. It would only take one month of zero applicants to make the majors throw money at hour subhuman pay rates.

How long do you guys think this wave will last? I supposed to be getting to ATP mins next year and was thinking of doing the pipeline program. I hear as a pipeline instructor you get seniority over your class mates. I was thinking since Envoy is getting the 175 and I would like to fly that aircraft it would be beneficial when it comes down to choosing airframes. I do also like the travel benefits on AA and it will make it easier for my wife and me to visit family.

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Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 1964672)

How long do you guys think this wave will last? I supposed to be getting to ATP mins next year and was thinking of doing the pipeline program. I hear as a pipeline instructor you get seniority over your class mates. I was thinking since Envoy is getting the 175 and I would like to fly that aircraft it would be beneficial when it comes down to choosing airframes. I do also like the travel benefits on AA and it will make it easier for my wife and me to visit family.

I don't think that is true.

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Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 1964672)

How long do you guys think this wave will last? I supposed to be getting to ATP mins next year and was thinking of doing the pipeline program. I hear as a pipeline instructor you get seniority over your class mates. I was thinking since Envoy is getting the 175 and I would like to fly that aircraft it would be beneficial when it comes down to choosing airframes. I do also like the travel benefits on AA and it will make it easier for my wife and me to visit family.

SJS

Good Luck!

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Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1964626)

Why did you apply then?

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Originally Posted by criticalaoa (Post 1964672)

The wave will last as long as management makes a job at Envoy attractive, and the airline is able to hire. That could be years if you look at how many retirements are going to occur at AA, and all of the majors. Or it could be short lived, due to a shortage of candidates. Nobody really knows. However, our movement is due to guaranteed attrition off the top due to flow, not aircraft fleet growth.

As far as seniority goes, you only accrue company seniority if you join the pipeline program (used for 401k, vacation, i.e. benefits that are not unique to being a pilot). You will not accrue bidding seniority as part of the pipeline program. Your bidding seniority will only be determined by your first day of indoc at Envoy.

As for flying the 175, a jet is a jet. However, our FO's are not allowed to bid to transfer aircraft currently, so if you get hired into the 175, you may end of with significantly better QOL than an FO stuck on another airframe.

I believe you get a bigger sign on bonus if you join the pipeline program. And you get AA flight benefits as a flight instructor.

Just as a side note for pilots planning on commuting while at the regionals, the AA flight benefits and wholly owned jumpseat priority can be a big help. I commute on a route with a lot of full AA and US Airways flights, with a lot of other commuters. AA and Airways pilots go ahead of me for the jumpseat, but there are plenty of times where I've made it home and non-wholly owned pilots have been left behind. QOL here isn't the best right now, but knowing I have a good shot at getting home removes a lot of the stress of commuting.

If AA is quick, they can acquire Republic and merge the pilots into the seniority list.

AA has agreed to Envoy's business plan. They are going to allow all the Envoy pilots to flow up to AA and shrink Envoy until nobodies left.

Thanks for the reply gents. Really appreciate it. I know this might sound cheesy but since a kid I always wanted to be an AA pilot so Envoy is the way to go I think. Once again thanks for all the replies.

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 1964199)

All of which means movement and progress to a new hire. Why are you carrying Management's water for them? :)

The thing is, right now, every regional's fleet numbers are based on staffing. Every regional has pilots leaving for Legacy and LCC airlines. A new hire could go to RAH, Mesa, SkyWest, or Compass and the only chance for movement is senior pilots leaving for Major/LCC jobs or they could go to envoy who has pilots leaving for Major/LCC jobs in addition to 350 pilots leaving next year. Seems like a whole lot better chance of movement at envoy to me. And that is in addition to the opportunity to flow to AA. Why would a pilot go to, say Compass where the only chance for movement is normal hiring attrition, when they could go to an airline that has normal hiring and flow?

Why............because Envoy is presently a house of cards whose foundation is propped up by assumptions and hypotheticals. You're not only carrying management's water for them, it's likely bad water to boot. :cool: